Jon Rahm leaving had a lot of talk happening, but looming is the deadline set for the merger to take place. While this has been looming, the PGA Tour is in talks with other equity groups.
“There’s been a lot of talk over the years of certain players going and it was speculation until it happened because there’s been rumors of names going and not going, and whether they materialized or not,” Woods said. “We assumed it was just speculation until it happened.”
“It’s been certainly a topic of conversation,” he said. “We’re trying to get a deal done with all of the different entities that we have going on here. SSG has come into the mix now. But we still have until the 31st.”

SSG is a US Based sports team investors that brings in Arthur Blank (Falcons owner) and John Henry (Red Sox owner) among others.
December 31st is the deadline for the PGA Tour and PIF to reach agreement. Some believe that date is pretty flexible.
“As of right now, that is our time frame and our deadline. That was set forth back in early June, and that hasn’t changed,” Woods said.
Where do you stand with this? Do you believe a deal gets done with PIF or will they find other sources to bring the PGA Tour into the future?







[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12033404, member: 1579″]
They are the day to day grinders. The ones who do have to battle week in and week out with the realization one bad week or missed connection could cost them their card and potentially career.
That’s pretty lifeblood to me.
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Lifeline might be a more appropriate term. All semantics aside, it seems obvious to me these guys need the tour more than the tour needs them. I’m struggling to see what the expected outcome of a suit like this is.
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I’m struggling to see what the expected outcome of a suit like this is.
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It should be interesting, especially if the tour ( if there was any real facts to prove it) was directing all their dollars towards the top 25 to stop any of them from leaving. Or these 21 are saying hey, throw us a bone every now and then. And ‘Lifeline’ kinda fits.
[QUOTE=”frontTsociety, post: 12033424, member: 74694″]
Lifeline might be a more appropriate term. All semantics aside, it seems obvious to me these guys need the tour more than the tour needs them. I’m struggling to see what the expected outcome of a suit like this is.
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The expected outcome is attention. Because if they don’t do something to get people at least talking about it, there’s never any chance of change at all. It makes perfect sense for them to do.
[QUOTE=”frontTsociety, post: 12033424, member: 74694″]
Lifeline might be a more appropriate term. All semantics aside, it seems obvious to me these guys need the tour more than the tour needs them. I’m struggling to see what the expected outcome of a suit like this is.
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It’s interesting because i’m not sure that’s really true. The tour needs bodies, these [I]particular bodies[/I] maybe not….but they need bodies. Otherwise they become…..LIV? No relegation, no cuts, no eating only what you kill blah blah blah.
The top 25 players sell the tour. But like Wrestling in the 90s–they need some jabronis to beat up on and round out fields. If you treat these players poorly, than it’s tough to capitalize the sport. The next generation of jabronis plays pickleball or tennis because there’s no money in golf, and it starts dying a slow death. Even right now, i’m not sure i’d trade my job to be 125th on tour. And i guarantee you i’m not the 125th best in the world at what i do.
It’s better for everyone if kids everywhere want to be golfers.
With all the money coming in, not to sound like a broken record but hopefully some of that will go to all of the players, and not just to more real estate deals for Jay.
Maybe pay travel for everyone with a tour card? Higher payouts for missed cuts etc….
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12033528, member: 1579″]
The expected outcome is attention. Because if they don’t do something to get people at least talking about it, there’s never any chance of change at all. It makes perfect sense for them to do.
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We’ll have to leave it here as we obviously disagree. Let’s see what comes of it…
[QUOTE=”MtlJeff, post: 12033552, member: 68350″]
It’s interesting because i’m not sure that’s really true. The tour needs bodies, these [I]particular bodies[/I] maybe not….but they need bodies. Otherwise they become…..LIV? No relegation, no cuts, no eating only what you kill blah blah blah.
The top 25 players sell the tour. But like Wrestling in the 90s–they need some jabronis to beat up on and round out fields. If you treat these players poorly, than it’s tough to capitalize the sport. The next generation of jabronis plays pickleball or tennis because there’s no money in golf, and it starts dying a slow death. Even right now, i’m not sure i’d trade my job to be 125th on tour. And i guarantee you i’m not the 125th best in the world at what i do.
It’s better for everyone if kids everywhere want to be golfers.
With all the money coming in, not to sound like a broken record but hopefully some of that will go to all of the players, and not just to more real estate deals for Jay.
Maybe pay travel for everyone with a tour card? Higher payouts for missed cuts etc….
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All reasonable points (although the wrestling connection might be a slight stretch). I agree the bodies are necessary, but not all at the top level. I’m looking for the tour to organize its 240 odd members like Football in the UK. In groups of 60, there’d be 4 levels that would fight to move up, or fight to stay in their position. I think it could be really interesting, or at least more interesting than what we have now.
[QUOTE=”MtlJeff, post: 12033552, member: 68350″]
It’s better for everyone if kids everywhere want to be golfers.
With all the money coming in, not to sound like a broken record but hopefully some of that will go to all of the players, and not just to more real estate deals for Jay.
Maybe pay travel for everyone with a tour card? Higher payouts for missed cuts etc….
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You are right about all of this, and injecting money does cure a lot of ills. My question is, where is the extra money going to come from?
80% of the PGAT’s revenue comes from tournament sponsorships and TV rights. How many more Buick ads can they really sell?
[QUOTE=”TxAggie2018, post: 12033668, member: 65518″]
You are right about all of this, and injecting money does cure a lot of ills. My question is, where is the extra money going to come from?
80% of the PGAT’s revenue comes from tournament sponsorships and TV rights. How many more Buick ads can they really sell?
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This is kind of my issue with the merger. Tons of money coming from the PIF fund right now, after the merger, probably not, unless it’s into the parent company dealings for a return.
But the little things they can figure out. Paying for travel for 125 guys to 30 tournaments wouldn’t be that big an expenditure for the tour. They just haven’t done a lot of stuff like that because they never needed to, at least IMO
My tin foil hat says there will be a deal with the PIF. PGA and PGA players would not be smart to deny 3 billion dollars and still have control of the PGA versus more lawsuits with PIF.
The PGA made the mistake of banning players to play a few events on LIV like how the LPGA and LET allowed their players to play a few Aramco Series events (funded and run by PIF). None of the LPGA or LET players jumped ship to Aramco Series nor did they get any backlash. LPGA, LET, and Aramco Series are all coexisting.
[QUOTE=”frontTsociety, post: 12033424, member: 74694″]
Lifeline might be a more appropriate term. All semantics aside, it seems obvious to me these guys need the tour more than the tour needs them. I’m struggling to see what the expected outcome of a suit like this is.
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The expected outcome is right in the articles title. ??
“A group of PGA Tour players have hired legal counsel, hoping to obtain more answers from the PGA Tour Policy Board amid LIV Golf negotiations.”
I don’t believe it is an actual suit, they just hired an attorney to fish for all the information they can get to keep them informed of what is happening.
If it affected your future, why would you not want to know about it?
It sure feels like the top players with an axe to grind for LIV are looking for a way to make sure they get paid instead of caring about the entirety of the tour. They have been bitter, combative and resentful from Day 1 and it isn’t getting better as they realize they chose poorly.
I wouldn’t be so dismissive of the lower ranked players. The stars are the stars but these guys [I]are[/I] the lifeblood of the tour. Almost nobody comes on tour and immediately plays at the top levels. They migrate up after grinding. And top players often fall in status then work to regain their firm (see Spieth). Also, the top players don’t play many events, meaning the grinders. The tour’s entire narrative is about competing against big fields. They need these guys.
[QUOTE=”CrashTestDummy, post: 12033778, member: 66484″]
My tin foil hat says there will be a deal with the PIF. PGA and PGA players would not be smart to deny 3 billion dollars and still have control of the PGA versus more lawsuits with PIF.
The PGA made the mistake of banning players to play a few events on LIV like how the LPGA and LET allowed their players to play a few Aramco Series events (funded and run by PIF). None of the LPGA or LET players jumped ship to Aramco Series nor did they get any backlash. LPGA, LET, and Aramco Series are all coexisting.
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The LPGA Commissioner has a brain in her head. She has already said that the LPGA will work with Aramco (and the PIF, if they decide to try to start a league) and explore options to coexist/cooperate with each other. She knows there’s no way that LPGA can compete if the Saudis start waving money around – LPGA golfers are paid peanuts compared to the PGAT.
Having watched this whole thing unfold since LIV first started signing players, it still reminds me of what happened when Gary Davidson and his group started the renegade World Hockey Association back in 1972. Big names like Bobby Hull jumped ship and signed with the new league, and it was a mess for three or four years as some teams went under within a few months and others thrived. It damaged the game, and it took several years for the merged NHL to financially recover.
The big difference in this instance is that the WHA did enough financial damage to the NHL so that everybody had to eventually come to the table and work out a plan that would save the game because they’d bled money for seven years. LIV, on the other hand, can simply outspend the PGA Tour and its sponsors, chop the professional game into something nobody will recognize in ten years, and still make money hand over fist.