Having written that title a couple of times previously over the last decade, the latest single car accident happened this morning in the LA area. Details are slow to come out, but Woods was rushed to the hospital with multiple leg injuries. LAPD confirmed that the injuries were not life threatening.
The forum community has been active in the discussion and you can join in below in the comments section.
Didn’t see that interview and it could sway my stance. I just don’t like the past behavior indicating current idea.
I had to plan medicine around driving for a long time. I’m glad I don’t as much anymore but it still can be an issue. Luckily my day is usually pretty well planned and I’m not as in need for drowsy causing meds anymore.
if you head to the genesis invitational thread many people mentioned the “look” of tiger in that interview. It’s not fair to judge this accident based on that, but it’s just tough to completely separate the two.
I don’t think that the Sheriff has helped with some of the statements made since the event happened. I find this one somewhat perplexing as there are things that are neither accidental or deliberate that could have occurred.
The Sherriff also said "The People involved" when he made the statement which makes it sounds as if there was more than 1 person involved.
Maybe he misspoke I don’t know, But those were his words.
Is this the same Sherriff’s dept that dealt with the Kobe Accident?
I just want to add I have ill will towards Tiger. I have always watched with admiration what he did on the course..
This is newsworthy only because of who he is and the Public life he leads.
Tiger Woods’ car crash was caused by excessive speed, but there may be more to the story that we may never know … TMZ has learned.
The L.A. County Sheriff’s Dept. will release the findings of their investigation Wednesday morning. It’s a bit curious, because last week we were told the findings would not be released because of privacy laws.
Sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ … Tiger was speeding when he lost control of his SUV and we’re told the Sheriff is hanging the cause of the accident squarely on speed.
We’re told the SUV’s black box shows Tiger actually accelerated at the time of the crash. We’re also told that just as Tiger lost control the SUV actually gained speed. What the Sheriff’s Dept. does NOT know … if Tiger was conscious when he lost control and careened down the embankment.
There’s more … law enforcement sources tell us, the Sheriff’s Dept. did not get a warrant to check Tiger’s cell phone to determine if he was on a call or texting at the time of the crash. Our sources say the Dept. felt it did not have probable cause to get a warrant for cell phone records, although that is often done in accident investigations.
Personally, I think one of two things happened: he was carrying too much speed into the curve, and didn’t realize it until it was too late, or, he was splitting the attention between driving and (insert radio/phone/shiny object here).
Agree with this as a possibility. For the Sheriff to simply say excessive speed there would have to be contributing factors the curve of the road and speed combined for example. And as to hitting the gas instead of the brakes in an emergency situation definitely a possible situation. Not knowing the best way to handle an emergency situation and doing the opposite of what you should do happens. I know around here (only because of years of dealing with it ) when you hit a patch of black ice and start sliding the worst thing you can do is slam on the brakes , you will spin out of control and there is nothing you can do but people who have never experienced that will slam on the brakes . It is probably better to try to gain some control over the vehicle and steer your way through it or direct yourself towards something if possible to cause the least possible damage. Im sure Tiger in a situation he had never been in with a split second to react could easily have taken the wrong evasive action when coupled with the nature and design of the road with a steep hill and drop resulted in this awful accident. I think it has always been obvious that speed was one of the contributing factors to this accident.
I used to see people all the time in L.A. spinning like that when the rains would hit hard and pull the oil up off the road. See it here in Ohio as well from panic braking.
In law enforcement investigations of one car accidents without a victim other than the driver, they’ll pull a warrant for cell phone records? For a misdemeanor or to simply close an investigation? In this type situation, I can’t imagine the LEOs chasing a warrant because of public perception.
I’m not a California lawyer. If there are specific statutes that create a mostly autonomous mechanism for getting the warrant in these type situations, then we’re looking at something else.
I know insurance companies and TPOs try to get cell phone records all the time but that is a different animal.
I’m but an arm jabber in OH anymore. But if my insurance company tried to get my cell phone records? We’d have an issue. If driving I use voice text and speakerphone only. I don’t know how that shows up but I never take my eyes off the road and those I converse with know that if I clam up for a second, it is because I need to pay attention to driving.
Drop me, whatever. But good luck on that warrant. Not happening.
Unfortunately though, we (the public) don’t get to decide whether a warrant gets issued or not. The investigating officer writes the warrant and presents it to a judge, who decides if there’s adequate probable cause to issue the warrant. If he signs off on it, it doesn’t matter what we think or want or if we have problems with it, it’s getting served.
For an insurance company? I can understand for LE, but seems like absurdity, other than a case to drop or raise rates, for an insurance company to have that info.
If you are in an accident that injured another person and the insurance companies or the attorney for the injured party on the other side is attempting to asses fault, they may subpoena information such as phone records and there would be nothing you could do to prevent it, because the information may be relevant or reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence (the general catch all for determining what is discoverable in civil cases) and it is not privileged.
People can, especially first responders and those who are DRE’S (drug recognition "experts"… and i use that last one loosely lol) recognize when someone is under the influence of something… ambien being a benzodiazepine is typically glassy eyed, pinned pupils (or very dilated depending on reaction, but either way not standard), confusion, disorientation, spaced out, etc.
Now some of those could be due to shock, but if the officer suspects something they typically will order testing or blood collection. But if he were given medication by EMTs, then the test is pointless.
I have had clients get DUIs on prescribed medication, even without an accident, because they are driving while impaired.. and it says on the bottle to not operate heavy machinery etc etc
But if they didn’t test him, or it was more pressing to get him out, safe, and to the hospital, if meds were given for pain or panic, then that may be why there’s no tests. I would think his insurance company would have access to medical records, even prescriptions from the pharmacy, and they can determine their coverage from that
Maybe like speeding or driving carelessly that contribute to an accident?
" Im only here or at the very least unbroken enough to golf because of a well placed guardrail". That could be an issue here. I know in New York there has not only been litigation over the lack of guardrails but over the type of guardrail itself. I saw maybe one media report where locals were quoted as saying there were lots of accidents in that location. If so the responsible municipality had notice and perhaps based on prior accidents and notice combined with the character of the road and terrain called for the installation of appropriate guardrails. Im also curious as to the type of roadway leading into the area and what was the speed limit. Was it a divided highway with a higher speed limit of 65 or more. How many feet prior to this area did it change. Were there warnings or flashers or reduce speed signs. These could all be factors. Certainly 85 mph in a 30 mph zone is totally unreasonable but leaving an area with a much higher limit entering an area with a significant drop in speed although 85 mph is excessive would be a little different. Hopefully someone in the media rather than focusing if he was on pain pills at the time will at least take a look at the big picture. The fact the report says that Tiger wants the report out there leads me to think there is more to the story as the media has alluded to but not something that would make Tiger look bad. Hopefully a full report and reconstruction are done and released.
Tiger Woods was driving at an unsafe speed when he wrecked his vehicle in the Los Angeles area, authorities said Wednesday.
Woods was driving between 84 and 87 mph when he first made impact, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva said. He was driving 75 mph when the vehicle hit a tree. The posted speed limit was 45 mph.
We can finally move on and hope this is the last bad thing that happens to Tiger.
Yowsas….that’s a bit excessive
I saw that and thought woah.. that is fast.. Had some place to be I guess.
Would you say “happens to…” him. Seems he did this to himself. Going over 80 in a 45 is not a smart move.
I guess he was in a hurry. This is good enough for me to put to rest all of the other speculation.
Tiger is at fault for an awful lot of foolish things that have happened in his life.
I’d rather read about what he’s bringing to the game of golf.
Smiles!
He means so much to the fans and to the Tour players. It is going to be so darn special the next time we see him in person at an event and I am so looking forward to seeing a recovered Tiger.
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Agreed.
For the record, I am definitely not a Tiger apologist. I could not be more disappointed in him for what could have been (which seems insane considering what already was). I’m just SO bored reading about his BS outside of the ropes. Watching some of the latest mockumentary finally boiled me over.
Gotcha. Well, the media loves those headlines. Always good traffic when the famous folks make a mistake. I’ve always been a Tiger fan. I’m happy he didn’t pay his life for a foolish action. Hoping he can recover and get back to golf.
Totally agree and its sad to see so many in the media just focused on bringing him down and putting things out there either creating the impression there is something mysterious we may never know or something very bad other than a traffic accident which may be his fault completely or partially his fault that has nothing to do with drugs or something mysterious just like the he never hit his breaks or he accelerated prior to impact leaving that hanging out there .
I can’t speak for all, but the traffic is better, when he does well.
I’m tired of all the sycophancy. I’m hoping JT doesnt win the Masters so we dont have to listen to him being asked how much Tiger influenced his win and how much it means for him to win with Tiger watching at home. BLURGH!
I thought Sands interview when JT won the players was completely disrespectful to JT.
Agree ?
Oh NO, this board will not let it rest until Tiger Woods is banned from driving for life. Some can’t sleep at night until the guy is drug through the mud for a single car accident…..LOL!
He was heading to another course for a photo shoot.
Are we reading the same forum?
speeding ticket I would guess is the most that could be done?
reckless driving.. I dunno..
Correct as I understand it. However there was no other injured party.
Mental note @Tenputt licensed in all 50 states, don’t mess with legally… ?
a misdemeanor in California, although I think it would be hard to prove mens rea by just speed alone
I have been messed with so many times that I don‘t know whether I am coming or going.
on top of what was reported that he was running late for a photo shoot/commitment, it’s not a good combo.
That’s exactly what this is all about at this point – the media keeping the story alive because they know anything with Tiger’s name on it will draw clicks and page views. They’re more than happy to be muckrakers just to bring in the revenue, and the hot takes draw even more when people link to them on social media and give them more attention.
This was a freaking solo crash, with nobody else injured other than Tiger, and most likely no criminal prosecution (unless they decide to file an infraction traffic charge for the unsafe speed). All these talking heads expecting that the LASD should dedicate resources to investigate it as if it were a major crime have no clue about reality. Tie up your (extremely limited) traffic investigators on a nothingburger case, while in the meantime you have felony DUI, manslaughter, etc. cases piling up….ridiculous. Replace Tiger in this crash with Joe Lunchbucket, and it’s just another "HUA PCF" (Head Up A** – Primary Collision Factor) crash that would have been done and filed away with minimal media attention and/or scrutiny. But the media knows there’s money in Tiger’s name, so they’ll milk it for everything they can.
Just one quick note from the drug guy. Ambien is and does all of those things. No doubt. Not for everyone. I took it for 15 years and outside of a couple phone calls I don’t recall I didn’t have any bad reactions. No waking up in Texas for me. But I’ve heard of enough bad reactions.
Ambien is not a benzodiazepine. That was my main point. It works similarly but it’s not in that class. Much more likely to cause an adverse event.
Messed up or not, it’s too late to even think this route. First responders are trained in picking up on signs of impairment. If none are noted and there is no other injured party most likely testing which needs done immediately will not be done. Especially given the severity of his wounds.
They basically kicked the statie investigating my crash out of the squad once they thought I was going to croak. Other party not injured. But because I was obviously coherent and not messed up. Trust me they checked my breath by leaning in really close and my pupils for signs of opiate or other intoxication.
Since they found none it was treated as the accident it was. We’re there contributing factors? For sure. I’ve learned to mitigate most of them. At least I was the only one hurt. But at the end of the day? It was an accident.
I think celebrities, like with their successes, problems such as like this are in the spotlight and speculation runs rampant, especially when there’s a history of something similar.
Here in Ohio it’s a schedule 4 drug, same as benzo’s. It’s classified as a sedative/hypnotic. I’ve taken both, I still take Klonopin to stop shaking from nuclear medicine I was on. The Ambien is much more sedating to me. I can function fine on clonazapam, I just have to plan my driving day as they do make me zone out a bit sometimes. I wouldn’t even attempt to function on Ambien, mainly due to the couple phone calls I got late that I don’t recall at all.
Once I lost the weight the sleep apnea went bye bye and so did the Ambien.
There’s no speed in CA which automatically makes it a felony offense. Even speed over 100 mph is still an infraction, albeit with enhanced penalties. To be a felony, it would have to reach the level of reckless driving causing injury to another, or recklessly evading a peace officer.