It is hard to believe that it was way back in October that Tour Edge released their new 725 lineup of Exotics drivers into the wild. Since then, there has clearly been a deluge of releases from every manufacturer in the industry, but more recent doesn’t mean better performing, does it?
We received both the Tour Edge Exotics E725 and C725 drivers in hand to put to the test and see just what they are bringing to the table in terms of technology and playability.

Quick Take – C725 and E725 Drivers
Tour Edge has constantly created drivers in their Exotics lineup which offer incredible performance and bang for your buck. However, they have also at times looked too unique for people and more recently the line between the two models blurred a bit. No more, this is arguably the most complete driver tandem ever from Tour Edge. Not only do they have a cleaner aesthetic, but they also have two fully differentiated models that compete with anything in the market from low spin to 10K.
The Education Zone
While we don’t want to get too far into the weeds when it comes to the technology which Tour Edge has implemented into their two drivers, there are some specific aspects which we would be doing everyone a disservice not to touch on, specifically Ridgeback. That said, if you want to go all the way in on things, be sure to go check out our detailed release article on the 725 drivers here.

Ridgeback Renovation
The biggest detail worth getting into tech wise with both the C725 and E725 driver is that Ridgeback is officially gone…at least in the way that we had come to know it. This is something that is interesting to see, as honestly it just seemed like the company was set on using the material differentiator that Ridgeback provided to make them stand out, for better or worse.
Now, don’t take that the wrong way, the use of the titanium spine in the crown of the 721, 722, and 723 drivers had real science behind it, specifically in how it added structural support. Not to mention, the look was unique, and whether you loved it or hated it visually, it differentiated them. The thing is, sometimes standing out that much isn’t for the best, and at times the outstanding bang for your buck performance that the Exotics drivers were producing never got a chance because of looks.

360 Ridgeback
This time around Tour Edge has moved to what they are calling “360 Ridgeback” where the central spine is no more. This was done because they found that by implementing a new titanium ring around the outer frame, they kept the same strength while allowing the head to be even more efficient in how it transfers energy. Bigger yet though is that removing that central piece of titanium and implementing a total carbon crown saved and astronomical amount of weight which could be redistributed.
That redistribution of weight from the Ridgeback Renovation meant also that both drivers could now utilize a new flight tuning system where adjustable weights are carved into the heads in a manner which we have never seen before. The C725 uses dual forward and rear weights (15g and 5g) while the E725 has a single weight (18g) in the extreme back perimeter. This combined with the adjustable hosel (+/- 2 degrees), new model specific Power Channel, and making their Diamond Face now three-dimensional continues the trend of Tour Edge innovating as much as anyone in the industry when it comes to their Exotics drivers.

We got to spend time with both models for this review, however, since the E725 driver was a 10.5 degree model while the C725 was 9.0, there will be no direct head to head comparison. However, to bring some continuity to the testing, both models were reviewed with the Project X Denali Blue 60 (6.5).
Performance
Tour Edge Exotics E725 Driver

Tour Edge’s official debut into the 10K arena is excellent. The E725 driver is the 460cc option of the two drivers and it is much more versatile in its playability than we anticipated. Given the size and weight placement of the head with the 18g flight tuning system track being in the furthest perimeter from the clubface, we expected to see a lot of launch and spin. Well, one of those two things proved true.
The 10.5 head was a launcher for me during testing, and as a high ball hitter by nature that was entirely expected. What was not expected though is how the spin didn’t get away from me. If you just glance at the data averages below and don’t take the time to see the rest of the picture, then you might skip on by, don’t do that! The fact that I was able to keep a 10.5 degree 10K head below 3,000 RPM is incredible. More impressive though is that on significant misses low on the club, I didn’t see the massive spin up you might expect.
| Ball Speed | Launch Angle | Spin | Peak Height | Carry Distance |
| 157.5 mph | 13.9° | 2886 rpm | 39 yds | 268 yds |
There is no getting around the reality that it is a large E725 driver head, however, the carbon crown cap and titanium frame look combined with a solid shape and blacked out overall aesthetic makes it a solid overall look at setup. Sound (feel) wise it is different than previous E models, there a little more depth to it, it’s unique feedback isn’t muted, but also avoids being loud. The 10.5 head did set up a little closed for me, and I saw a right-to-left tendency, but it wasn’t overdone.
What was overdone though is how shockingly forgiving the E725 driver is. Honestly, the spin I saw obviously helps keep the ball in play accuracy wise on misses, but the bigger thing is I felt like I could hit it anywhere laterally and get away with murder. Vertically, there wasn’t as much give, but it also didn’t have the massive spin peaks and valleys. All in all, this is a driver that everyone should try, especially if you are curious about high MOI designs, but want the most bang for your buck.
Tour Edge Exotics C725 Driver

If you take a trip back in time to the days of EXS, then you will find a driver from Tour Edge that was one of the most surprising powerhouses of anyone that year, the EXS Pro. The company followed that up with the C721 Pro when Ridgeback was introduced, but after that they honestly began to lose their low spin high power way. The models became more and more blurred with the C and E designs, but they have set that right this time around. The C725 is a monster, but the kicker is that it can be as tame, or as mean as you want it to be.
The C725 is a 445cc head, though at first glance you might not realize it. Like its sibling, the move to the full carbon crown with titanium ridgeback 360 ring framing is a really good look. Sure, the sole is a little on the plain side, but props to Tour Edge for showing restraint, the end result is a driver that won’t turn anyone off at first look and instead might just win people over. While I have seen some comments out there about the C725 being slightly closed, to my eye the 9.0 is dead neutral.

At setup, the C725 wants you to swing hard. The look is, in a word, complete. Best of all, the removal of the spine in favor of 360 Ridgeback meant 22% more carbon, and that means the most addicting sound at impact of any Tour Edge driver I can recall. It is not a dull carbon thud but no longer has the metallic undertone the C723/C722/C721 had. The club-head is firm and dense, without being hollow sounding. Truly there is nothing else that compares to it, it is unique, and it is addicting. While moving the weights from front to back (15g and 5g) does change that a bit, the big change there happens with the performance.
Heavy Weight Forward
| Ball Speed | Launch Angle | Spin | Peak Height | Carry Distance |
| 161.2 mph | 11.5° | 2221 rpm | 34 yds | 279 yds |
Heavy Weight Back
| Ball Speed | Launch Angle | Spin | Peak Height | Carry Distance |
| 159.4 mph | 12.6° | 2508 rpm | 36 yds | 275 yds |
As you will be able to see in the data averages, the C725 was hit in both weight orientations (forward and back) and the spin change was almost spot on the 300 RPM which Tour Edge claims. This is where the fitting versatility of the design shows out, as even with the heavy weight back the C725 did not encroach onto the E725, meaning two heads can cover three different realms with minimal overlap. That said, when the 15g is in the forward port, the low-spin animal was unleashed with the head being as fast as anything out there.

The most impressive thing during on course testing though, was the directional consistency. Regardless of the weight orientation, there was a neutral flight bias that allowed full workability while at the same time letting you get away with way more than you would expect. There is clearly something to the weight port locations on the design combined with the 3D Diamond Face and new Power Channel that has unlocked more playability from a 445cc head that you would expect.
The Details – C725 and E725 Driver
Tour Edge was never off with their Exotics driver releases, but this time around they are more on than ever before. Not only is the $399.99 price point for both heads unheard of in today’s market trends, both heads stand toe-to-toe with other current releases in their respective segments. This is a lineup that should be tried if you are looking for a driver in 2025, they do it all and do it well.
For more information on the Tour Edge Exotics C725 or E725 Driver models, check out their website at www.touredge.com.





Great writeup [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]
I think these are two of the better looking heads from address out of everything that came out this year. Excellent option for people that want to save a couple hundred bucks.
I really hope to hit the E725 this year. There were a few things I saw in the forum testing and in the article that make me feel like it would be a better match for me over the 723 was.
This was a great article [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]. Thorough and very informative.
Some nice performances from very reasonably priced Drivers from Tour Edge.
I was looking forward to this article as a TEEm tester and the possibility of be able to test one of these.
As dead certain as I am of getting a DS Adapt Max K, the E725 I actually really want to try and put head to head against what will arguably be the driver of the year.
[USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] any thoughts on how the E725 competes?
If it competes as well as I hope this one could be the dark horse in the 10K market with price alone.
The C model looks really good. At $400– that seems like a steal for the tech and performance.
Good stuff here [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] !
The e725 might be the biggest value in golf. It’s that damn good.
Picked up the E725 the other day with the Cypher shaft. While at the PGASS I moved the back weight to the draw position. My usual right miss turned into a smaller fade, no pull lefts happened either. Look forward to getting to a simulator this week. I had looked at a few other drivers the past few months and settled on this one. If I have an issue with it is the sound but it is not off putting just not to my liking. Maybe it will sound better outside.
[QUOTE=”Jeff Spicoli, post: 12925255, member: 10545″]
The C model looks really good. At $400– that seems like a steal for the tech and performance.
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If I wasn’t set to play in the MC this year, the C could have very possibly have been my gamer for the year. It’s that good, and that easy to hit.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12925175, member: 1193″]
I really hope to hit the E725 this year. There were a few things I saw in the forum testing and in the article that make me feel like it would be a better match for me over the 723 was.
This was a great article [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]. Thorough and very informative.
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I shall bring you the 10.5 E in April. We will make my delivery of drivers to you at staff retreat a tradition. Haha
Really though, I want you to hit it against the MAX-K…
[QUOTE=”Tywithay, post: 12925166, member: 14378″]
Great writeup [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]
I think these are two of the better looking heads from address out of everything that came out this year. Excellent option for people that want to save a couple hundred bucks.
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I actually agree, they’re both damn good at setup. The only 10K head which looks better there, imo, is the MAX-K.
The C at 445cc though is stunning. The move from the original ridgeback design is aesthetically and technologically a win for them.
Look sooo good, I have the C721, and C723 over here in the office, Might need to try the 725 for sure
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12925431, member: 1579″]
If I wasn’t set to play in the MC this year, the C could have very possibly have been my gamer for the year. It’s that good, and that easy to hit.
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I’ve had great success with the C in the past. Easy to hit with that size and design is impressive. I think we’ve all played the “lower handicap” model and gotten absolutely destroyed on mishits. I hope people give this line a chance.
[QUOTE=”AuzzieMatt, post: 12925196, member: 54652″]
I was looking forward to this article as a TEEm tester and the possibility of be able to test one of these.
As dead certain as I am of getting a DS Adapt Max K, the E725 I actually really want to try and put head to head against what will arguably be the driver of the year.
[USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] any thoughts on how the E725 competes?
If it competes as well as I hope this one could be the dark horse in the 10K market with price alone.
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It’s something I can’t totally touch on since we got the 10.5 for review. My MAX-K is 9 turned down, and I’d have like to have been able to do the same here to have an honest comparison between the two.
For the 10.5 to stay below 3k for me like it did, tells me that a 9.0 would’ve been in that 2500-2700 wheelhouse I love to see, and where the K lives for me.
I will say, I find it every bit as good as the Max 10k 430
I tested and reviewed, and it sounds a ton better too.
Loved the write up and deeper dive. thanks [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]
They nailed the looks on this one to my eye. So much so it was going to get a long look to be my driver this year if my dance card wasn’t full.
Really hope Team Tour Edge gets to add to the reviews here on it
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12925438, member: 1579″]
I shall bring you the 10.5 E in April. We will make my delivery of drivers to you at staff retreat a tradition. Haha
Really though, I want you to hit it against the MAX-K…
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That sounds like a great little test!
Best looking Tour Edge driver in years.
[USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] I feel like these articles are just getting better. You always share an incredible amount of information, but somehow this felt even more thorough. Grateful for your time and effort, sir!
I have never had the pleasure of swinging any previous driver release by Tour Edge Exotics, but become more and more intrigued with each release cycle. The price point, the constant innovation, and now even their aesthetic improvements…these two seem primed to shock folks if given an honest look.
Fantastic writeup [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]. This info just solidifies that the E725 would be my weapon of choice. Great looks and as much as my driver has gotten better over the last few years, I still need that forgiveness off the tee, especially with the amount of trees I need to contend with up here in the northeast.
I loved the sliding weight tech when I first used it on the Big Bertha drivers as it 100% works, and seeing that in the E725 combined with 10k has me itching to try it out.
The driver market this year is so stacked that it’s gonna be tough for a company like TEE to breakout but this product sounds just as good as anything else on the market and at a great price point.
[QUOTE=”russtopher, post: 12925528, member: 14253″]
Fantastic writeup [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]. This info just solidifies that the E725 would be my weapon of choice. Great looks and as much as my driver has gotten better over the last few years, I still need that forgiveness off the tee, especially with the amount of trees I need to contend with up here in the northeast.
I loved the sliding weight tech when I first used it on the Big Bertha drivers as it 100% works, and seeing that in the E725 combined with 10k has me itching to try it out.
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The placement of the weight ports/tracks on these two are something that I really could have put a lot more words into. Visually, they’re different, almost simple, but the locations are honestly brilliant, especially on the E725 with how rearward and on the perimeter it is.
Maximum effectiveness.
[QUOTE=”Bernoulli, post: 12925177, member: 42734″]
Some nice performances from very reasonably priced Drivers from Tour Edge.
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They really do stand up with anything I’ve hit or tested this year, it’s all about if they can get them into hands to try.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12925647, member: 1579″]
The placement of the weight ports/tracks on these two are something that I really could have put a lot more words into. Visually, they’re different, almost simple, but the locations are honestly brilliant, especially on the E725 with how rearward and on the perimeter it is.
Maximum effectiveness.
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The sole configuration of the E725 has perked my thoughts of adding lead tape on the power channel in the recessed area, moving the CG forward slightly thus reducing spin & lowering ball flight. The standard back weight is 18 grams. TE offers many options to replace the rear weight. Replacing the back weight with a 13 gram and adding 5 grams of lead tape to the power channel for example. 10K forgiveness will be reduced of course so there’s that. It’s fun to tinker and imagine but this just might add another asset to the E725. Great writeup Jman…. as always.
[QUOTE=”LeftyRod, post: 12925788, member: 67760″]
The sole configuration of the E725 has perked my thoughts of adding lead tape on the power channel in the recessed area, moving the CG forward slightly thus reducing spin & lowering ball flight. The standard back weight is 18 grams. TE offers many options to replace the rear weight. Replacing the back weight with a 13 gram and adding 5 grams of lead tape to the power channel for example. 10K forgiveness will be reduced of course so there’s that. It’s fun to tinker and imagine but this just might add another asset to the E725. Great writeup Jman…. as always.
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Gotta remember, doing so will make it non 10k, and it’ll take quite a bit to actually shift the CG Any meaningful amount. The channel also isn’t THAT deep. Could be an interesting tinker to see the results of though
Thank you for reading my guy!
Nice work [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]
Loving the E725. Looks and performs great. Just a flat out, great driver.
Great write up [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]. I am seriously considering one of these drivers but unfortunately cannot find one at a local shop to try out. Would it be fair to say the E725 is similar to the Ping G430 10K? I have hit one of those and liked it. What about the C725, would that be similar to the AI Smoke TD? I know I can go try one of those at a local store.
Any insight would be appreciated.
For the E, I think that is pretty fair. I think you are going to see a tiny bit more spin, but a tiny bit more speed too.
[QUOTE=”Minatophase3, post: 12925864, member: 73682″]
Great write up [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]. I am seriously considering one of these drivers but unfortunately cannot find one at a local shop to try out. Would it be fair to say the E725 is similar to the Ping G430 10K? I have hit one of those and liked it. What about the C725, would that be similar to the AI Smoke TD? I know I can go try one of those at a local store.
Any insight would be appreciated.
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I think its very similar to the 430 10K. Having done our review on that one in the 10.5 last year as well, this was a little slower for me, but also had less spin. Time of year for testing impacts the speed for me a bit though as well. In terms of playability, they are both silly forgiving on the course.
The E725 absolutely stands toe to toe with the 430 Max 10K, and that is a pretty awesome feather in Tour Edge’s cap.
[QUOTE=”Minatophase3, post: 12925864, member: 73682″]
Great write up [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]. I am seriously considering one of these drivers but unfortunately cannot find one at a local shop to try out. Would it be fair to say the E725 is similar to the Ping G430 10K? I have hit one of those and liked it. What about the C725, would that be similar to the AI Smoke TD? I know I can go try one of those at a local store.
Any insight would be appreciated.
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On the second part, sorry I missed that as I was focused in on the E…
The C725 IMO sits in that Triple Diamond range, its more playable than anyone will anticipate until they hit it (just like the TD) and offers damn good speed and spin. I do think the AiSMOKE TD is more fade biased than the C725 though.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12925896, member: 1579″]
On the second part, sorry I missed that as I was focused in on the E…
The C725 IMO sits in that Triple Diamond range, its more playable than anyone will anticipate until they hit it (just like the TD) and offers damn good speed and spin. I do think the AiSMOKE TD is more fade biased than the C725 though.
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Thanks so much for the replies. I don’t think I am good enough for a TD but will go and hit one to see how it feels. Sounds like the E725 is most likely the best fit for my game.
[QUOTE=”Minatophase3, post: 12925908, member: 73682″]
Thanks so much for the replies. I don’t think I am good enough for a TD but will go and hit one to see how it feels. Sounds like the E725 is most likely the best fit for my game.
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I think the E is going to be one that works well for a whole lot of golfers, ESPECIALLY if they are interested in the 10K trend.
The C is surprisingly playable, BUT, it is STILL a 445cc head, so it isn’t for everyone.
I’m beyond pleased though that they have once again really differentiated the two models, they got very blurred the past couple of releases.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12925914, member: 1579″]
I think the E is going to be one that works well for a whole lot of golfers, ESPECIALLY if they are interested in the 10K trend.
The C is surprisingly playable, BUT, it is STILL a 445cc head, so it isn’t for everyone.
I’m beyond pleased though that they have once again really differentiated the two models, they got very blurred the past couple of releases.
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I really like my AI Smoke Mini Driver with 360cc head and hit it very well. I actually prefer a smaller head which is why I find the C interesting, but I am also not the best striker of the driver so the more forgiving head would probably help me.
[QUOTE=”Minatophase3, post: 12925924, member: 73682″]
I really like my AI Smoke Mini Driver with 360cc head and hit it very well. I actually prefer a smaller head which is why I find the C interesting, but I am also not the best striker of the driver so the more forgiving head would probably help me.
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FWIW, [I]any[/I] driver is going to be more forgiving than a mini driver, the issue people have is with the length of drivers.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12925931, member: 1579″]
FWIW, [I]any[/I] driver is going to be more forgiving than a mini driver, the issue people have is with the length of drivers.
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Just to make sure I understand what you are saying. The C725 (or Callaway TD) with the same length shaft as my mini driver would be more forgiving than my mini driver? If so, I may need to look at getting the C725 with a slightly shorter shaft.
Great write up [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]
I really hope TEEm Tour Edge gets chance at these drivers this year. I already have my choice. Although, once again, both C and E lines look to be great and I’d be happy testing out either.
[QUOTE=”Minatophase3, post: 12925943, member: 73682″]
Just to make sure I understand what you are saying. The C725 (or Callaway TD) with the same length shaft as my mini driver would be more forgiving than my mini driver? If so, I may need to look at getting the C725 with a slightly shorter shaft.
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Yes, a larger head is going to be more forgiving than the smaller head, its all about space, mass, and more area to specifically place that mass to maximize playability. Smaller heads have less size/space to do so. So, a mini is absolutely more forgiving than a 3W (which it replaces) but it won’t be more forgiving than a full sized driver (which is why they aren’t designed to replace drivers).
The short driver can be a lot of fun, but, you HAVE to get the swing weight adjusted. Most don’t, they just cut things down, and then it’s going to be a train wreck from the start imo.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12925955, member: 1579″]
Yes, a larger head is going to be more forgiving than the smaller head, its all about space, mass, and more area to specifically place that mass to maximize playability. Smaller heads have less size/space to do so. So, a mini is absolutely more forgiving than a 3W (which it replaces) but it won’t be more forgiving than a full sized driver (which is why they aren’t designed to replace drivers).
The short driver can be a lot of fun, but, you HAVE to get the swing weight adjusted. Most don’t, they just cut things down, and then it’s going to be a train wreck from the start imo.
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Got it, thanks so much for the explanation.
[QUOTE=”Minatophase3, post: 12925961, member: 73682″]
Got it, thanks so much for the explanation.
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Anytime! Always happy to help!
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12925888, member: 1579″]
I think its very similar to the 430 10K. Having done our review on that one in the 10.5 last year as well, this was a little slower for me, but also had less spin. Time of year for testing impacts the speed for me a bit though as well. In terms of playability, they are both silly forgiving on the course.
The E725 absolutely stands toe to toe with the 430 Max 10K, and that is a pretty awesome feather in Tour Edge’s cap.
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That is super interesting because it was the exact opposite for me.
I had slightly more spin with E725 and slightly more speed with E725. Wild.
Yep, my data was the opposite. I went back and looked at the set for the 430 review to make sure. All within 1-1.5 mph and a hundred or so RPM.
But, it was also warmer weather when I was hitting the PING, which is where the speed easily could have come from with playing golf more. Spin though this was pretty spot on.
I’d love to hit it in the 9.0 head, because I’d venture that like the PING when I traded the 10.5 for a 9.0 it would move into that 2600-2700 realm that I’m loving right now
@Jman Thanks for another great article with great photos and details. I mentioned I’d have questions and I do, selfishly as they may apply mostly to me, though @LeftyRod had a comment you replied to that is related and @JB noted he had more ball speed with the E over the C. So clearly (like just about all clubs – one size does not fit all.
So, a bit of background. Before being selected, I was planning a driver upgrade (or not)/purchase. I demoed the Ping TaylorMade and Callaway clubs (2 demo/fittings, discussed in other threads). The Callaway Elyte core model was consistently longer with similar (reasonable) accuracy for me. The photo is not my club, but the circle it where I have been mostly consistently hitting the ball – center to upper toe area usually.
As one who is deperately seeking some distance, would the still very high MOI C725 be reasonably expected with the heavier weight in back to deliver added distance (assuming the same general strike pattern?
As LeftyRod noted, I was also considering adding some weight in the behind the SS, just behind the channel to see if that might help, your reply suggests maybe not.
If the strike pattern/area continues would spin (for a person with a 85+ swing speed) see an actual loss of distance due to lack of spin – in the C725 (regardless of weight distribution).
Like @AuzzieMatt and the rest of TEEm Tour Edge 2025 – I am eager to test these drivers out – if given the chance. And, as I now play close to 3+ times a week I am hopeful that my swing overall improves enough to make either head deliver that coveted distance.
Thanks again – great stuff in here.
[QUOTE=”JW Smoove, post: 12926239, member: 63219″]
[USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] Thanks for another great article with great photos and details. I mentioned I’d have questions and I do, selfishly as they may apply mostly to me, though [USER=67760]@LeftyRod[/USER] had a comment you replied to that is related and [USER=3]@JB[/USER] noted he had more ball speed with the E over the C. So clearly (like just about all clubs – one size does not fit all.
So, a bit of background. Before being selected, I was planning a driver upgrade (or not)/purchase. I demoed the Ping TaylorMade and Callaway clubs (2 demo/fittings, discussed in other threads). The Callaway Elyte core model was consistently longer with similar (reasonable) accuracy for me.[ATTACH type=”full” alt=”IMG_2987.jpeg”]9325307[/ATTACH] The photo is not my club, but the circle it where I have been mostly consistently hitting the ball – center to upper toe area usually.
As one who is deperately seeking some distance, would the still very high MOI C725 be reasonably expected with the heavier weight in back to deliver added distance (assuming the same general strike pattern?
As LeftyRod noted, I was also considering adding some weight in the behind the SS, just behind the channel to see if that might help, your reply suggests maybe not.
If the strike pattern/area continues would spin (for a person with a 85+ swing speed) see an actual loss of distance due to lack of spin – in the C725 (regardless of weight distribution).
Like [USER=54652]@AuzzieMatt[/USER] and the rest of TEEm Tour Edge 2025 – I am eager to test these drivers out – if given the chance. And, as I now play close to 3+ times a week I am hopeful that my swing overall improves enough to make either head deliver that coveted distance.
Thanks again – great stuff in here.
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No worries, I’m always here to answer any questions!
First, JB was talking about E vs the Ping 430 10K, not E vs C, the C will offer more ball speed potential than the E based on CG location being more forward and overall design intent.
To the pic, thats the spot most would love to hit driver every time if their could, as long as we aren’t talking extremes. Slightly toe side and a little high is historically “the button” that drops spin but keeps speed high.
The C is still a 445cc driver, and it’s a low spin head. Yes, it’s got some forgiveness, but I really don’t want anyone to think it’s in the realm of the E there. The E is MASSIVELY forgiving.
At your speed, spin is not your enemy. Spin keeps the ball in the air to help optimize carry. Otherwise, if you start hunting speed and low spin, you’re going to get a lot of low liners. Which, might be great if you play where it’s always hard and fast and you can rely on roll. But if not, it can be a dangerous thing to flirt with.
I think some companies as well as launch monitors have at times caused us to lose sight of things, specifically spin. 2700-3000 is not high spin, and in fact, it can be optimal for a lot of people. But, speed is chased so often now that many think spin has to be as low as possible, which is cool in a monitor, but it’s often terrible on the course.
Efficiency above all else imo. One can sacrifice pure speed potential for a maximized efficiency setup for them and not lose distance, and in fact, gain it often times.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12926319, member: 1579″]
To the pic, thats the spot most would love to hit driver every time if their could, as long as we aren’t talking extremes. Slightly toe side and a little high is historically “the button” that drops spin but keeps speed high.
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? Here I was thinking it’s always the middle of the face.
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? Here I was thinking it’s always the middle of the face.
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So, once upon a time, and still in some heads, it was that slightly toe/up spot that was the goal. If you ever look at the wear patterns of Tour pro’s, that’s where it is most of the time.
For us mere mortals, center of the face is pretty darn ideal. Hahahaha
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12926319, member: 1579″]
No worries, I’m always here to answer any questions!
First, JB was talking about E vs the Ping 430 10K, not E vs C, the C will offer more ball speed potential than the E based on CG location being more forward and overall design intent.
To the pic, thats the spot most would love to hit driver every time if their could, as long as we aren’t talking extremes. Slightly toe side and a little high is historically “the button” that drops spin but keeps speed high.
The C is still a 445cc driver, and it’s a low spin head. Yes, it’s got some forgiveness, but I really don’t want anyone to think it’s in the realm of the E there. The E is MASSIVELY forgiving.
At your speed, spin is not your enemy. Spin keeps the ball in the air to help optimize carry. Otherwise, if you start hunting speed and low spin, you’re going to get a lot of low liners. Which, might be great if you play where it’s always hard and fast and you can rely on roll. But if not, it can be a dangerous thing to flirt with.
I think some companies as well as launch monitors have at times caused us to lose sight of things, specifically spin. 2700-3000 is not high spin, and in fact, it can be optimal for a lot of people. But, speed is chased so often now that many think spin has to be as low as possible, which is cool in a monitor, but it’s often terrible on the course.
Efficiency above all else imo. One can sacrifice pure speed potential for a maximized efficiency setup for them and not lose distance, and in fact, gain it often times.
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[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12926319, member: 1579″]
No worries, I’m always here to answer any questions!
First, JB was talking about E vs the Ping 430 10K, not E vs C, the C will offer more ball speed potential than the E based on CG location being more forward and overall design intent.
To the pic, thats the spot most would love to hit driver every time if their could, as long as we aren’t talking extremes. Slightly toe side and a little high is historically “the button” that drops spin but keeps speed high.
The C is still a 445cc driver, and it’s a low spin head. Yes, it’s got some forgiveness, but I really don’t want anyone to think it’s in the realm of the E there. The E is MASSIVELY forgiving.
At your speed, spin is not your enemy. Spin keeps the ball in the air to help optimize carry. Otherwise, if you start hunting speed and low spin, you’re going to get a lot of low liners. Which, might be great if you play where it’s always hard and fast and you can rely on roll. But if not, it can be a dangerous thing to flirt with.
I think some companies as well as launch monitors have at times caused us to lose sight of things, specifically spin. 2700-3000 is not high spin, and in fact, it can be optimal for a lot of people. But, speed is chased so often now that many think spin has to be as low as possible, which is cool in a monitor, but it’s often terrible on the course.
Efficiency above all else imo. One can sacrifice pure speed potential for a maximized efficiency setup for them and not lose distance, and in fact, gain it often times.
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Great to hear all of this. Thank you for getting back to me and with answers that I can build on (and be prepared if TE offers us this driver as part of the testing. I still have no idea if it’s best for me or not (the C version), but I remain incredibly intrigued. I have not worried (per se) too much about spin when I got a good lesson on it at the Mizuno Experience all those years ago – from you, [USER=24109]@Desmond[/USER] and Vosh. So, I am less concerned about too little spin and actually thinking maybe I could find a shaft to offset some of that – again if I went that way.
As to the location on the face, I seem to always be about 1/2 to 1/3 of a ball out on the toe or center face – both higher than horizontal center. In fact I was planning to get a smidge closer to the ball to counter that – but not now! Oh, for fun though, I always seem get complacent – and then get an outlier – heel side low – as if the entire swing breaks down, then the brain kicks in and it takes me 2 more holes to get back to where want to be.
I am really only looking for max distance, if I can get the distance and drop 1 club down I can start scoring or give myself the chance to.
Thanks again – and for the clarification on the speed that JB noted – that was my misunderstanding, glad you cleared that up for me.
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Great to hear all of this. Thank you for getting back to me and with answers that I can build on (and be prepared if TE offers us this driver as part of the testing. I still have no idea if it’s best for me or not (the C version), but I remain incredibly intrigued. I have not worried (per se) too much about spin when I got a good lesson on it at the Mizuno Experience all those years ago – from you, [USER=24109]@Desmond[/USER] and Vosh. So, I am less concerned about too little spin and actually thinking maybe I could find a shaft to offset some of that – again if I went that way.
As to the location on the face, I seem to always be about 1/2 to 1/3 of a ball out on the toe or center face – both higher than horizontal center. In fact I was planning to get a smidge closer to the ball to counter that – but not now! Oh, for fun though, I always seem get complacent – and then get an outlier – heel side low – as if the entire swing breaks down, then the brain kicks in and it takes me 2 more holes to get back to where want to be.
I am really only looking for max distance, if I can get the distance and drop 1 club down I can start scoring or give myself the chance to.
Thanks again – and for the clarification on the speed that JB noted – that was my misunderstanding, glad you cleared that up for me.
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FWIW, shaft won’t change spin that much. Not as much as the internet thinks at least. Hahaha
Also, I’ll say this, the E will be the driver for WAY more people, imo. It’s going to fit the largest portion of golfers on the bell curve, if they’re willing to try it.
Great write up [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER]
I’m still gaming the EXS, but I want to try the E. They look great and there’s been nothing but positive reviews on it. I’ve got one range/pro shop in my area that stocks TEE, so I’ll need to make a stop when the temps allow us to hit outside around here.
Hoping for a 725 fairway wood review from you guys soon too!
Great write-up as usual James.
I’ll have to hit both just because, though the E725 would be the one that fits my game the best.
Great write up [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] and so much great information in this thread that goes beyond the write up.