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A little over a month ago I posed a question to the forum about wedge shafts. First off, a big thank you to all of you who took time to participate in the thread and construct questions that we promised to forward on to a company that is in the forefront of shaft design and construction. Secondly, I would like to thank True Temper for being gracious enough to donate some of their valuable time answering many of our forum members’ questions.

For a while now I have wondered why I put little thought into wedge shafts. I always just assumed that OEM’s knew what they were doing when putting a stock shaft into a wedge. Since THP is all about fittings and optimization, my mind began to wander into the realm of wedge shafts. The most natural question that came to me was, “why am I not playing the same shaft in my wedges as I do in my irons?” This seemed like a logical question to me and come to find out, I was not alone in this line of questioning.

Many forum members submitted questions that surrounded all things wedge shaft and they were forwarded on to the experts at True Temper. Unfortunately, not every question could be answered to True Temper answered the questions they felt would provide the most insight to THP’s forum members.

Without further ado, the selected questions and answers:
1.) From forum member Setho: What is wedge flex?

Some of our OEM partners choose to designate their wedges as “Wedge” flex.  These will always be within the S flex category but could be S200, S300 or S400 depending upon their individual product selection.  In the case of our new DG Spinner, we designated two flexes…”wedge” and “wedge +”.  The “wedge” flex weighs 7 grams less than the “wedge+” flex and is therefore not as stiff.  This flex will work well for most players in all applications.  However, the stiffer “wedge +” can be used in PW and GW applications where more shaft loading will occur in full shot scenarios.

I also see people with x100’s in their wedges and wonder why they would do that if they are rarely taking full shots. Would that hurt more than help? It seems that you would want the shaft that gave you a) the most feel and b) the best accuracy, and c) the most spin?

Ultimately, we estimate that 80%+ of players are using shafts that are too stiff for them.  Few players need to be using X flex shafts in their wedges for the reasons you list…rarely hitting full shots, better feel/responsiveness, etc.  However, there could be some cases where the strength of the player or quicker transition/tempo would necessitate an X flex wedge shaft. 

2.) From forum member Craftylefty: I currently play the DG x100 all the way through my set. I thought it would be more consistent to keep everything the same but the clubhead through the set. Am I missing out because of it? I honestly have no idea.

We would strongly suggest that you consider reshafting with S300 or S400 in the wedges.  There is a high percentage of players that play X100 in their irons on tour using S400 in their wedges for improved feel and control.  Remember, rarely should you be taking a full swing with a gap, sand or lob wedge.  Therefore the shaft loading (bending) is significantly reduced compared to your 3-PW.  If you’re looking to add spin to the equation, you should really give the DG Spinner a try.  The feel will be unlike anything you’ve felt before and you’ll see an increase in spin to help attack the pins.

3.) From forum member 9-Iron Man: I have the DG Spinners in my wedges. I opted for the regular wedge flex in all three (50/54/58). True Temper says that PW and AW/GW should be shafted with the wedge+ Spinner shafts and wedge in SW and LW. Why is this? Is it because of swing speed ? Would a player notice any difference between the two? Would a player like myself benefit from the + shaft in my 50* or will there be little difference?

To expand on our answer in #1, the “wedge” and “wedge +” shafts are identical in design (exact diameters and step pattern).  They are different in weight only…7 grams to be exact (124 grams v. 131 grams pre-trimmed weight).  The 131 gram “wedge +” version is stiffer by virtue of the additional 7 grams of material spread across the 37” length.  Therefore, we suggest it only for the PW and GW applications where shaft loading is increased through more “full swing” scenarios.  Most players will be perfectly fine to put the “wedge” flex in all of their wedges.   

4.) From forum member Dr. Teeth: I was fitted for X100 in my irons, but I opted to go with S300 for my wedges. (I had a 56 that had an X100 in it and I found that I faded the ball on full shots). What would be the benefit of hitting a wedge plus shaft over an S300, or X100 for that matter?

The “wedge +” flex is only a designation of DG Spinner.  I commend your decision to place S300 in your wedges although you’re an X100 guy.  As you can see from the answers above, there is a clear recommendation being made to go softer across the board…certainly in the wedges.  You may want to consider the DG Spinner to find some additional rpm above your S300.

5.) From forum member Hawk: How does a wedge shaft relate to spin and how does spin relate to launch? Are the two mutually exclusive? In other words, does a shaft have to launch the ball lower to create more spin?

Great question.  First off, let’s set the playing field.  The shaft certainly plays a role in the launch/spin scenario, but not nearly to the level that the head does.  For instance, if you were launching it too low with your driver and playing an 8 degree, the first modification a qualified fitter should suggest would be to change to a 9.5 or higher degree driver.  There would be instant improvement.  The shaft is where the “fine tuning” comes into the equation…to “tweak” launch conditions and offset the spin impact of the launch increase.  In the case of wedges, the highly publicized groove change produced a permanent performance modification to irons and wedges.  The impact was two-fold…wedges would now produce less spin AND higher launch because the ball would have a tendency to roll up the face (by virtue of the grooves not grabbing the ball as effectively as they had with the old groove).  Our task was to find a way to offset these changes by finding a way to reduce the launch and increase the spin rates.  The recessed section of DG Spinner produces a distinct shaft bending pattern that essentially brings the head into the ball at a sharper angle causing less roll up the face producing both lower launch and increased spin.   
 
I want to thank True Temper for their time and assistance in answering our forum members’ questions. To me, it’s this type of customer service and consumer engagement that sets True Temper apart from the other industry leaders in wedge shafts. The fact that our questions and ponderings can be answered from a true industry expert is phenomenal.

Please join me in thanking True Temper for their insight and participation with THP. We have questions and they have answers, but more importantly, they took the time to engage us and welcome our questions.

-TC

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  1. Paulo says:

    Excellent article TC! Really interesting stuff. I’d wondered a long time about wedge shafts, and the answers here clear up a lot of stuff.

    Once again THP going out into the field and educating us on the stuff we really want to know.

  2. Ryan H. says:

    That was really informative. Thanks to TT for taking the time to do this. Great job putting this together TC and THP. Well done!

  3. Michael Cook says:

    That is a great Q&A that is very informative; thanks TC! This is definitely one of those areas where it is hard to find solid data relating to wedge shafts and what is optimal, etc. Thanks to True Temper for taking the time to provide this detail!

  4. wcueb923 says:

    Wow that was great. Thanks TC & True Temper for answering our members questions

  5. Dirtydawg67 says:

    Great article TC and THP. Very infomative and answered my questions on wedge shaft flex.

  6. royalwulff says:

    Thanks TC and True Temper! That was some great information and fun to read. I have to admit I never knew the shafts effected wedges so much. Thanks again for all the great information.

  7. Hanks says:

    I love Q&A’s and this one didn’t disappoint. Thanks for the info TC & TT!

  8. Chunkylover77 says:

    Great article TC! Definitely getting the spinners in my next wedges

  9. jt2929 says:

    Great article and great question. Big thanks to TrueTemper for taking the time to answer some of our questions.

  10. WestTex says:

    Very fun article you guys!! Thanks for all the info!

  11. TheDue says:

    Great read TC and thanks True Temper, lots of info packed into this.

  12. White Rhino says:

    Great Q&A!!! THanks to True Temper and to TC for bringing some answers to an area that is still very confusing to many here at THP.

  13. Yoccos says:

    Great article TC. Lots of questions surrounding the X Flex iron shaft. I would’ve thought that you wanted a stiffer flex in your wedges as opposed to softer. Definitely learned something new.

  14. thainer says:

    good article TC, I like it.

  15. ddec says:

    Nice job Lucas! Thank you to TT for answering questions by some of the forum members! With all of the different types of shafts on the market it’s always great to get straight forward answers to help clear things up. I’ve been playing the DG Spinners since the beginning of the year and love them.

  16. Flooder says:

    Very informative. Thanks for putting this together!

  17. Cg13 says:

    Great read- always loved the feel of the spinners. Now I know why 🙂

    Thanks TT and TC

  18. Fairway2Green says:

    Good stuff TC!! Now I feel like I need to spinners in my wedges for sure. Haha

  19. Kelly says:

    Thanks for the information! Good stuff.

  20. Coolbreeze says:

    That was a great read, Thank you to True Temper and TC for putting that together/

  21. Staticline says:

    Excellent article. Thanks to True Temper and THP for the info. I was not aware of the loading effect on wedges, due to not as full a swing. This is definitely something I will discuss with my fitter.

  22. Tadashi70 says:

    Great insight in that piece. Thanks to THprs that asked the questions, true temper for sharing some much needed knowledge and JB for putting it all together. I have not once thought about the shaft in my wedges, I promise that is going to change quick fast and in a hurry.

  23. yorkem says:

    Great information in this piece. Thanks to the THP’ers who provided questions, and TC and True Temper for providing the answers.

  24. Dr. Teeth says:

    Great article. I want to thank True Temper for taking the time to address our questions. It was great to see our questions addressed by an expert. I am going to have to pay close attention to the launch and spin conditions with my wedges and see if I might be benefited by playing the DG Spinners. I know a lot of people have been raving about them.

  25. snkli says:

    Great information!

  26. 9-Iron Man says:

    So much great information in here! Well done THP members! Big thanks to True Temper for answering the questions! I have a much better understanding of how wedge shafts work. Great article TC!

  27. cheffor says:

    Excellent article, thank you True Temper and TC!

  28. SirSliceALot116 says:

    Great job with the article TC! And thanks again to True Temper for taking the time out to answer our questions.

  29. rrpruett says:

    Great Job. I have been looking to change to the spinner on a couple of wedges just to check them out. this helps me make that decision. Ill put the Spinner + in my Gap wedge and standard in my Lob.

  30. tomahawk18 says:

    Great info here TC. Thanks man.

  31. Puttin4Bird says:

    Thanks True Temper and TC for helping us all get the answer to questions we have on wedge shafts! I hope to see more of this on THP in the future, I think it’s a great concept and I love learning as much as I can about the equipment I play.

  32. Aubs88 says:

    Great questions from our members and even greater answers by True Temper. I found everything very insightful and truly feel it was of great value to all golfers.

  33. Griff says:

    What more needs to be said? Great Q&A that covered all the bases.

  34. Canio says:

    Excellent information about the shafts.

  35. McRock says:

    wow, great Q&A. I learn more about the science and art of golf at THP than any other source. Makes me wonder if I’d get better spin switching out my shafts on the wedges. After reading this article, I suspect I would.

  36. Drumdog says:

    Great Q&A !! Lots of great info there.

  37. arydolphin says:

    Thanks to True Temper for taking the time to answer some of our questions, and also thanks to TC for putting all of this together, I learned some good things from this article.

  38. Brian T says:

    Great read and very informative. Really enjoyed it. Thanks THP and True Temper!

  39. Esox says:

    Good stuff, very informative.

  40. Beowulf says:

    If there was one good question and answer in there, it was indistinguishable from the four great ones. Thanks for the stellar information.

  41. golf4life says:

    Excellent article! The DG spinners really do work as advertised. Thank you TT for all that good info.

  42. Bogey317 says:

    Great article TC. It answered alot of my own question about wedge flex and all the technology behind it.

  43. We’re a gaggle of volunteers and opening a new scheme in our community. Your web site provided us with valuable info to work on. You’ve done a formidable activity and our whole community can be thankful to you.

  44. shrimppimp says:

    Many thanks, I was just about to order a new set of AP2s with wedge set and was unsure about the wedge shafts – I will order S300s. The questions were exactly what I wanted to know

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