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Episode 6 is here and Dan and Rob discuss the following topics:
Myth Busting: Walkers vs Riders
The Sunday Bag
More likely: Next Tiger, or next Daly?
And a Ton More…
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There’s nothing in the rules that penalizes you for screaming and waving your hands around while someone else is trying to hit, either.
What’s your point?
Rounds for handicap must (at least pretty sure they use the must verbiage here) be played in accordance to the rules of golf and attempt to shoot the best score possible for each hole. So in technica terms, yes you need to build it and play it in the same manner in terms of effort put into the round. In my view that does not include walking vs riding or switching out equipment, but IT does include building a cap based off of options you have in the bag; as in recording scores with say 5 clubs then giving you more options to score better by adding the rest in a tournament setting. Doesn’t mean you will score better with more clubs but you could.
You must have a different rule book than I do. Rule 1.2a covers that very situation.
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I’m hoping that note says "1.2a".
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Excellent point. Its impossible to measure how many strokes could be gained or lost by carrying more or less clubs.
Must I? Your argument is completely ignoring 1.2a so why can’t I ignore it too in my examples?
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Integrity is doing the right thing even when no one is watching. As soon as you show me where playing with <14 clubs is wrong, you can use that to support your stance.
Good luck.
Any time it takes a commitee to decide you know it is a bad rule.. hahaha. I get that you have to act accordingly and if you are being a jerk you can be DQ’d alla Sergio. But, this one requires more discussion.
Way off course now…
He, you brought it up. I just posted the Rule.
It is all good for me. I enjoy the conversation.
Knowingly altering the conditions with which you play in order to establish a handicap is 100% lacking integrity. Do you think me establishing a handicap with 14 left handed clubs only to switch to right handed clubs for a tournament is fair?
but… but… it doesn’t say it anywhere in the rules that I can’t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Integrity.
I think we’ve lost the rational discussion.. Are people arguing just to argue? Clearly if you are doing something to get an unfair advantage it is against the spirit of the rules.
I strongly disagree. I’d lose a ton of strokes if I tossed half my clubs and went out to play. No way could I argue that having 14 clubs isn’t an advantage over 13 or les. This whole thing just goes back to the integrity of the game. If you’re looking for a loophole, then it’s probably inadvisable. Especially if you establish a handicap with 9 clubs (or however many under 14) and show up on tournament day with a full bag.
I don’t think that’s what he was saying in terms of playing in general. It’s about building a handicap which is supposed to truly reflect your potential. Now why 14? Who knows. But that’s the rule for maximum so there it is. If people want to play with less ( I do) then fine but just do it because that’s how you plan on competing, not so it’ll make your handicap higher and then adding clubs come tournament time.
I don’t see how that could be wrong. If you’re playing enough to setup a legit handicap left handed, then you’re probably lacking in your RH practice.
Ok I just lost my train of thought. I’m officially off course. I need all of those dogs in my life.
What if I were to establish a handicap on a much harder course than I’m planning on playing a tournament on? That would be knowingly altering the conditions with which I play.
You’re not on an island, you’re on another planet.
All I’m saying is that adding clubs doesn’t increase the potential success for everyone. Some people need less choices not more. Some due to lack of skill, some due to poor decision making, etc. There’s nothing that can say, across the board for everyone, that playing with 14 clubs in the bag increases the chances of success over playing with 13 (or less) clubs in the bag 100% of the time. Some people just might play better with less clubs.
Honestly asking, isn’t that what the slope and rating are supposed to protect against?
Yeah, they are, but it’s still a change. I dunno. He pulled that "change" statement out of thin air so I countered with something equally absurd.
You think? What if someone is ambidextrous and can play (nearly) equally well from either side. Should they be bound by some expectation to only play from the side they’re best at?
lmao. definitely not ALL you’re saying.
Yes. It’s exactly what it’s for.
And I also agree with your last post that some appear to be arguing just to argue. It’s exhausting considering how great this podcast was
And others are throwing shade at Rob Riggle for no reason at all! I say he who does that must suffer 6 hour rounds at a New Jersey muni…
I agree with this 100%. Stick to the rules and we’re all better off.
As for Sunday bags, WHY?
LOL. Played in 4 today (foursomes too!) Clearly Mr. Riggle has not yet caught wind of my statement.
Won 9 skins and had 2 team wins (sixes). Other was a push.
I have just arrived in Jersey. We’re waiting for 8:00 to get on the books for Sunday!
We did not fare well. Couldn’t get a tee time for 4. 2 of us had to settle for a 7:00am time. Your state is whack!
My hero.
I found it interesting that @Canadan wondered aloud why anyone would use such an inefficient (sunday) bag, when he proudly uses what he admits is the 3rd most (2nd least) efficient way to get around the course.
haha wait, what do I do?
Carry. You said, in order of time efficiency, single riders, cart walkers, and multi-riders was last, so I’m assuming stand bag carriers are in there at #3.
Depends on the golfer – I don’t know many guys who wait on me regardless of how they are making their way around the course haha
Also, if/when my course stops being stupid about it, I’ll absolutely use my push cart.
Wait, is this the argue just to argue thread? Or was that a different one?
No, it was this one, soooooo, are you saying people don’t wait on you, because you’re a good golfer? Because you also kind of argued against that idea too… Or are you just saying you’re not the guy out there counting butterflies? That one made me laugh.
hahahaha! Yes ish? My categorization was intended to be speed ‘potential’ more than anything haha
I had a few wtf moments for sure
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hahah No, it was good. I enjoyed it. Keep it up!
Good points. Especially “Rarely do I see walkers who aren’t golfers.”
Yeah the frat boy crowd has the power cart scene on lockdown for sure.
Visit and we’ll ride Finn Cycles like a boss at the local and then buggy bumble on an epic course to compare carting methods.