The Phoenix is a symbolic name for Xcaliber shafts in a few ways, first is the link to the era of legends and Arthurian stories which the brand name has heavy roots in, but the other symbolizes a return of a legend for Robin Arthur and the company. You see, the Phoenix is based upon the winningest wood shaft in professional golf, the Grafalloy ProLite, so the name is certainly apropos.
We were able to get the entire Phoenix range in for a closer look and subsequent review, read on to find out more.
The Details
This is a shaft design which does exactly what it claims to do, a lower spinning and mid launch profile which responds to an aggressive move, regardless of the shaft weight. The Phoenix is extremely affordable like the rest of the Xcaliber lineup, but also boasts a plethora of fitting options with three different weights and multiple flexes including TS for even the strongest swingers.
Xcaliber Phoenix Driver Shafts
The first thing I believe is important to understand when discussing the Phoenix is that this is quite literally the ProLite profile brought into modern times with improved production and tolerance capabilities. Those modern aspects are also what have allowed the creation of the Phoenix 4 and 5 which are just lighter weight versions. It is clear that in the opinion of Robin and company, the winningest shaft design of all time still stands the test of time.

An interesting thing to think about there is how limited the options were in the time of the ProLite with graphite really in its infancy. Nonetheless, success is success, but does it translate? To test that we were able not only to get all three weight classes of the Phoenix, but also each in their S and TS versions. They are also available in R, but we did not test those.

Upon unboxing, I took the Phoenix shafts, all six of them, right to the frequency analyzer to test them versus their stated flex. Interestingly, here the 5TS, 6S, and 6TS easily met their mark of S while the 5TS, barely hit the CPM to be considered stiff. The 4S and 4TS however were solidly in the R realm according to measurements. Is this all that surprising? In my opinion, not particularly, considering the goal here is keeping the same profile as the ProLite, just lighter, it seems natural that the lighter weights there would be a little softer to flex since they didn’t want to alter the design, just weight.

Each of the shafts were installed into Cobra adapters and built to the same length with the same grip as well. They were also all tested using the Cobra Darkspeed LS driver at standard 9.0 loft with the heavy weight back. This is a very fast and low spinning head for me, so it seemed to make the most sense when working with the Phoenix profile. The data captured can be seen below:
| SHAFT | BALL SPEED | LAUNCH | SPIN | CARRY | TOTAL | HEIGHT | OFFLINE |
| Xcaliber Phoenix 4S | 162 | 18 | 3208 | 269 | 286 | 42Y | 21Y R |
| Xcaliber Phoenix 4TS | 162 | 17 | 2873 | 274 | 301 | 39Y | 19Y R |
| Xcaliber Phoenix 5S | 160 | 16 | 2923 | 268 | 294 | 37Y | 16 Y R |
| Xcaliber Phoenix 5TS | 160 | 15 | 2381 | 272 | 298 | 34Y | 10Y R |
| Xcaliber Phoenix 6S | 161 | 14 | 2679 | 274 | 300 | 32Y | 7Y L |
| Xcaliber Phoenix 6TS | 161 | 14 | 2358 | 274 | 303 | 30Y | 5Y R |
Foremost, I have to say how surprised I was at how easily these launched for me, not so much in the lighter weights knowing what I did via the CPM measurements, but more into the 5TS, 6S, and 7TS. Where spin was concerned, things certainly jumped in the softer flexed shafts, which was certainly in part due to my aggressive swing/move just leaving the face a bit open. That said, they responded impressively in terms of speed. The Darkspeed LS itself is a fast head for me, but the fact that the averages for every weight and flex option came out where they did ball speed wise was eye catching.

Something I do want to mention, in the collection with the Phoenix 5TS, that data is based on one recorded swing while the others are in sets of ten with two tossed from each to form the averages shown. The reason here is that shaft actually gave way in my second swing. Now, sometimes things happen, and I am not making a huge deal of this as I recorded the 5S, 4S, and 4TS after that incident and every one of them held up fine. However, for the sake of transparency, it needed to be mentioned.
The Details
Overall, the Phoenix showed me that the ProLite profile likely still has its place, and with the ability to make even lighter versions now, there seems to be a very wide fitting window. I would be curious to see if we get any heavier versions down the road from Xcaliber, however, as I feel like there is even more opportunity to broaden the window of fitting.
The Phoenix is available in R, S, and TS within each of the three weights, and is priced at a mere $135.00 per shaft. They are available at select fitters nationwide as well as direct from xcalibershafts.com.




Remember it’s not just about rounds and sessions gents, it’s about what you’re seeing from the shaft, OR what you have seen in retrospect to this point.
Give us flight talk.
Miss directional tendency talk.
Peak height talk.
Workability talk.
All the things! We want to know alllllll the things.
Okay, soooo… Got it out for the front 9 this morning… As mentioned before, I get a mid ball flight most of the time… This I can get mid/mid-high. If I had to take a swag at peak height, I’d say 70ft, maybe a few in the 80s. My miss is the slice. But according to shotscope, I miss two ways pretty equally which makes it hard to "pick just one miss"… I will take a guess that when I pull, it’s because I overcompensate for the slice. And there is no working the ball from me. I play (or attempt to) a fade. Sometimes a hard fade…. For while, I had a draw swing going but that’s come and gone, and trying to get it back seems like more work and time that I don’t have…
Today’s 9 was fair. I pulled the first tee shot, fearing the slice… Second tee shot, slice-aroni (just stayed on the planet)…the rest of the tee shots were kinda dialed in, fades. Very playable fades. I was very happy with that down the stretch. It was stress free off the tee
With as happy as I was with the ball flight, I think I might like it a bit higher. The head is set at 10.5 so I do feel like I work a little to get what height I’ve been getting. The lack of feel had kinda gone away as I think I can feel how the shaft flexes now and when I am dialed in, the driver does what I’d like to see… I don’t know that I want to turn the loft up but I think I’ll give that a go the next time around.
And if you ask why I think I might like a little higher ball flight, I played my ST230 Max for the back 9 and the ball flight was markedly higher and I think better for me… Idk.
I’m trying to get as much golf in as I can since I will be having a back fusion procedure in the coming months… So we’ll see how this all plays out.
Got more swings in with the Phoenix 6S today. Went out for a twilight 9. Again seeing a pretty high ball flight for what i expected. However i am hitting some of the better drives i have had in a long time. Launch angle doesnt feel high, it is just that the ball gets quite high as it gets out there.
My miss continues to be a hook. I am not one to try to work the ball too much, but do try now and then. I havent figured out how to hit a fade with this setup so far. Generally though i am just hoping to hit it straight. So far, i am typically hitting it pretty straight or a slight draw on the good shots.
I am having fun with this shaft in the Aerojet Max so far. I am very interested to get some numbers and should get to a sim this week to do so.
So I got another round in with the Phoenix 5-R yesterday, and I guess I’ll start by responding to [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] ‘s post from Saturday:
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12509385, member: 1579″]
Remember it’s not just about rounds and sessions gents, it’s about what you’re seeing from the shaft, OR what you have seen in retrospect to this point.
Give us flight talk. [B][I][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]You name it, I hit worm-burners, high push-fades, screaming line drive pulls, and even a couple of nice mid-low slight fades that ran like crazy when they hit the fairway. I think if I could control this shaft the latter would be the normal flight tendency, a somewhat low launch angle that just goes and goes, then gets a good bit of roll.[/COLOR][/I][/B]
Miss directional tendency talk. [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]No real “tendency”, as the misses are all over the place. Not only do I get the feeling that I just ” don’t know where this is going to go”, I can’t tell where I hit it on the face without looking for the ball mark.[/COLOR][/B]
Peak height talk. [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]Pick one, it seems to be different from swing to swing, although like I said above, the best shots were a mid-low ball flight.[/COLOR][/B]
Workability talk. [B][COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]This one is easy, I can’t work the ball with the long clubs, especially driver, and I really don’t think a shaft is going to change that for me.[/COLOR][/B]
All the things! We want to know alllllll the things.
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So there you have it, I hit only 2 of 9 fairways that I used driver from the tee, the misses were all technically in play, although a couple of them turned par-4s into par-5s. This experience has demonstrated the difference between a shaft that fits me well and one that doesn’t though. I’ve been playing the E723 driver for over a year, and this is I believe the sixth or seventh shaft I have tried in it. A couple of those shafts, paired with the E723, have gotten me to hitting a consistently high percentage of fairways, considerably better than any driver I’ve played before, the Phoenix has unfortunately gone the complete opposite way.
I’ll be playing again this week, and give it another go, but if I don’t see any improvement I’m going to pull it from the E723 and put it in my G425 LST. At that point I’ll look at it as a complete restart, and try to avoid any preconceived notions on how it will work with that head. I actually think there’s a good chance it will be a completely different experience, as I’ve mentioned before, the shaft that has worked best for me in the G425 did not work all that well in the E723, so this could be another one like that.
Ball flight… I’m a fan of the ball flight I’m getting from this shaft. The phoenix seems to be launching a little higher which is helpful because I have a tendency when I get out of sync to hit low launch low spin bullets that fall out of the sky. The overall trajectory is a little flatter overall with a shallower descent angle than the tensei av blue.
I have 2 rounds in with this shaft and 2 different misses depending on where the heavy weight is in the head. My first round I was playing the heavy weight back. In that position the miss was a spinny cut. With the weight forward the spinny cut was nonexistent. If my hands and arms get too active I can hook it pretty easily. I’ve only really seen the hook on the range. I’m keeping the weight in the forward position because that spinny cut is a shot that can get me in trouble because I never expect it.
Peak height I’m seeing a higher peak overall. With the tensei I was getting peak flight in the 80-90 feet. With the phoenix I’m seeing 95-105.
When it comes to working the ball I don’t. When I’m swinging well I hit the ball very straight. A very slight push draw is what I’m expecting. But overall my ball flight is straight so not trying to work it a lot usually keeps me out of trouble. I play for a straight ball expecting and accepting that sometimes it draws a touch and occasionally a touch of a fade with show up.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 12512259, member: 77429″]
Ball flight… I’m a fan of the ball flight I’m getting from this shaft. The phoenix seems to be launching a little higher which is helpful because I have a tendency when I get out of sync to hit low launch low spin bullets that fall out of the sky. The overall trajectory is a little flatter overall with a shallower descent angle than the tensei av blue.
I have 2 rounds in with this shaft and 2 different misses depending on where the heavy weight is in the head. My first round I was playing the heavy weight back. In that position the miss was a spinny cut. With the weight forward the spinny cut was nonexistent. If my hands and arms get too active I can hook it pretty easily. I’ve only really seen the hook on the range. I’m keeping the weight in the forward position because that spinny cut is a shot that can get me in trouble because I never expect it.
Peak height I’m seeing a higher peak overall. With the tensei I was getting peak flight in the 80-90 feet. With the phoenix I’m seeing 95-105.
When it comes to working the ball I don’t. When I’m swinging well I hit the ball very straight. A very slight push draw is what I’m expecting. But overall my ball flight is straight so not trying to work it a lot usually keeps me out of trouble. I play for a straight ball expecting and accepting that sometimes it draws a touch and occasionally a touch of a fade with show up.
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Good feedback!
How is the ball flight as it gets ti apex? I know you said it’s higher overall, but it’s the trajectory still flat as it climbs or is there a little more arc as it gets there?
[QUOTE=”OldeDude, post: 12512078, member: 49557″]
So I got another round in with the Phoenix 5-R yesterday, and I guess I’ll start by responding to [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] ‘s post from Saturday:
So there you have it, I hit only 2 of 9 fairways that I used driver from the tee, the misses were all technically in play, although a couple of them turned par-4s into par-5s. This experience has demonstrated the difference between a shaft that fits me well and one that doesn’t though. I’ve been playing the E723 driver for over a year, and this is I believe the sixth or seventh shaft I have tried in it. A couple of those shafts, paired with the E723, have gotten me to hitting a consistently high percentage of fairways, considerably better than any driver I’ve played before, the Phoenix has unfortunately gone the complete opposite way.
I’ll be playing again this week, and give it another go, but if I don’t see any improvement I’m going to pull it from the E723 and put it in my G425 LST. At that point I’ll look at it as a complete restart, and try to avoid any preconceived notions on how it will work with that head. I actually think there’s a good chance it will be a completely different experience, as I’ve mentioned before, the shaft that has worked best for me in the G425 did not work all that well in the E723, so this could be another one like that.
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This is a really good idea imo. Head and shaft combinations can behave differently.
[QUOTE=”chile, post: 12510613, member: 54997″]
Okay, soooo… Got it out for the front 9 this morning… As mentioned before, I get a mid ball flight most of the time… This I can get mid/mid-high. If I had to take a swag at peak height, I’d say 70ft, maybe a few in the 80s. My miss is the slice. But according to shotscope, I miss two ways pretty equally which makes it hard to “pick just one miss”… I will take a guess that when I pull, it’s because I overcompensate for the slice. And there is no working the ball from me. I play (or attempt to) a fade. Sometimes a hard fade…. For while, I had a draw swing going but that’s come and gone, and trying to get it back seems like more work and time that I don’t have…
Today’s 9 was fair. I pulled the first tee shot, fearing the slice… Second tee shot, slice-aroni (just stayed on the planet)…the rest of the tee shots were kinda dialed in, fades. Very playable fades. I was very happy with that down the stretch. It was stress free off the tee
With as happy as I was with the ball flight, I think I might like it a bit higher. The head is set at 10.5 so I do feel like I work a little to get what height I’ve been getting. The lack of feel had kinda gone away as I think I can feel how the shaft flexes now and when I am dialed in, the driver does what I’d like to see… I don’t know that I want to turn the loft up but I think I’ll give that a go the next time around.
And if you ask why I think I might like a little higher ball flight, I played my ST230 Max for the back 9 and the ball flight was markedly higher and I think better for me… Idk.
I’m trying to get as much golf in as I can since I will be having a back fusion procedure in the coming months… So we’ll see how this all plays out.
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Is that 70 ft range normal for you?
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12513558, member: 1193″]
Is that 70 ft range normal for you?
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Around that… I did look at past Trackman data and I have gotten over 100+ feet a few times (iirc, that was with the TSi3 and Diamana TB)… Mostly in that 70-90′ range, tho.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12513367, member: 1579″]
Good feedback!
How is the ball flight as it gets ti apex? I know you said it’s higher overall, but it’s the trajectory still flat as it climbs or is there a little more arc as it gets there?
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Around the apex the ball flight is on the flatter end of the spectrum. I’m not seeing a rapid climb and fall at the apex.
[QUOTE=”chile, post: 12513877, member: 54997″]
Around that… I did look at past Trackman data and I have gotten over 100+ feet a few times (iirc, that was with the TSi3 and Diamana TB)… Mostly in that 70-90′ range, tho.
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Pretty normal for me too, unless I float one out there or really try to make one fly.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 12513880, member: 77429″]
Around the apex the ball flight is on the flatter end of the spectrum. I’m not seeing a rapid climb and fall at the apex.
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Very nice. This is what I found as well, it works to the apex, which really was one of the big positives I found for my swing.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12513882, member: 1193″]
Pretty normal for me too, unless I float one out there or really try to make one fly.
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I’d like to put this in the ST230 Max and see what happens
Another round with the Phoenix 5-R, and I will be taking it out of the E723 and putting it in my G425 LST. Started out good, first hole I used it on was the par-4 3rd, a dogleg right, and hit that nice mid-low fade to the middle of the fairway with good distance. Next one was the par-4 6th, similar tp the previous one, just rolled into the right rough. I was starting to think I might be getting the hang of this thing, seemed to like a more deliberate transition. I usually try to start my back swing low and slow, then just let things happen from there, but I was finding if I slowed down the transition at the top, felt almost like a pause, although I know it wasn’t, I still couldn’t feel the club load or release, but I might be getting some consistency. Never mind, It was back to all over the place after that, including a couple of penalties from bigger misses. This course finishes with par-5 / par-3 / par-5, so on the par-5 16th I swapped back to my UST LIN_Q Red, and what do you know, best drive of the day, my normal mid/mid-low slight fade to the middle of the fairway, almost 230 yds, which is a pretty good drive for me. Well best drive until the 18th, where I hit another one to the middle of the fairway,similar flight, this time an elevation assisted 260 yds, which is long for me on that hole.
So I’ll try to swap the tip out for the 425 as soon as I can, and maybe carry both drivers for at least one round. If I can get a solo round in like today, where I could have been playing two balls off the tee if I wanted to, I’ll get some side-by-side comparisons with the two drivers.
[QUOTE=”OldeDude, post: 12515509, member: 49557″]
Another round with the Phoenix 5-R, and I will be taking it out of the E723 and putting it in my G425 LST. Started out good, first hole I used it on was the par-4 3rd, a dogleg right, and hit that nice mid-low fade to the middle of the fairway with good distance. Next one was the par-4 6th, similar tp the previous one, just rolled into the right rough. I was starting to think I might be getting the hang of this thing, seemed to like a more deliberate transition. I usually try to start my back swing low and slow, then just let things happen from there, but I was finding if I slowed down the transition at the top, felt almost like a pause, although I know it wasn’t, I still couldn’t feel the club load or release, but I might be getting some consistency. Never mind, It was back to all over the place after that, including a couple of penalties from bigger misses. This course finishes with par-5 / par-3 / par-5, so on the par-5 16th I swapped back to my UST LIN_Q Red, and what do you know, best drive of the day, my normal mid/mid-low slight fade to the middle of the fairway, almost 230 yds, which is a pretty good drive for me. Well best drive until the 18th, where I hit another one to the middle of the fairway,similar flight, this time an elevation assisted 260 yds, which is long for me on that hole.
So I’ll try to swap the tip out for the 425 as soon as I can, and maybe carry both drivers for at least one round. If I can get a solo round in like today, where I could have been playing two balls off the tee if I wanted to, I’ll get some side-by-side comparisons with the two drivers.
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Sounds like a pretty solid plan to me!
[QUOTE=”OldeDude, post: 12515509, member: 49557″]
Another round with the Phoenix 5-R, and I will be taking it out of the E723 and putting it in my G425 LST. Started out good, first hole I used it on was the par-4 3rd, a dogleg right, and hit that nice mid-low fade to the middle of the fairway with good distance. Next one was the par-4 6th, similar tp the previous one, just rolled into the right rough. I was starting to think I might be getting the hang of this thing, seemed to like a more deliberate transition. I usually try to start my back swing low and slow, then just let things happen from there, but I was finding if I slowed down the transition at the top, felt almost like a pause, although I know it wasn’t, I still couldn’t feel the club load or release, but I might be getting some consistency. Never mind, It was back to all over the place after that, including a couple of penalties from bigger misses. This course finishes with par-5 / par-3 / par-5, so on the par-5 16th I swapped back to my UST LIN_Q Red, and what do you know, best drive of the day, my normal mid/mid-low slight fade to the middle of the fairway, almost 230 yds, which is a pretty good drive for me. Well best drive until the 18th, where I hit another one to the middle of the fairway,similar flight, this time an elevation assisted 260 yds, which is long for me on that hole.
So I’ll try to swap the tip out for the 425 as soon as I can, and maybe carry both drivers for at least one round. If I can get a solo round in like today, where I could have been playing two balls off the tee if I wanted to, I’ll get some side-by-side comparisons with the two drivers.
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Appreciate the honest feedback with your struggles using the 723. It happens.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12515617, member: 1193″]
Appreciate the honest feedback with your struggles using the 723. It happens.
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THIS.
I cannot second what Hawk has said here enough. It happens. But it’s why we always ask for all honest feedback, it helps everyone involved.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12515643, member: 1579″]
THIS.
I cannot second what Hawk has said here enough. It happens. But it’s why we always ask for all honest feedback, it helps everyone involved.
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Yep it does. Kudos to my man for sticking it out. That’s not always easy.
[QUOTE=”OldeDude, post: 12515509, member: 49557″]
Another round with the Phoenix 5-R, and I will be taking it out of the E723 and putting it in my G425 LST. Started out good, first hole I used it on was the par-4 3rd, a dogleg right, and hit that nice mid-low fade to the middle of the fairway with good distance. Next one was the par-4 6th, similar tp the previous one, just rolled into the right rough. I was starting to think I might be getting the hang of this thing, seemed to like a more deliberate transition. I usually try to start my back swing low and slow, then just let things happen from there, but I was finding if I slowed down the transition at the top, felt almost like a pause, although I know it wasn’t, I still couldn’t feel the club load or release, but I might be getting some consistency. Never mind, It was back to all over the place after that, including a couple of penalties from bigger misses. This course finishes with par-5 / par-3 / par-5, so on the par-5 16th I swapped back to my UST LIN_Q Red, and what do you know, best drive of the day, my normal mid/mid-low slight fade to the middle of the fairway, almost 230 yds, which is a pretty good drive for me. Well best drive until the 18th, where I hit another one to the middle of the fairway,similar flight, this time an elevation assisted 260 yds, which is long for me on that hole.
So I’ll try to swap the tip out for the 425 as soon as I can, and maybe carry both drivers for at least one round. If I can get a solo round in like today, where I could have been playing two balls off the tee if I wanted to, I’ll get some side-by-side comparisons with the two drivers.
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Any predictions/hopes for the new combo?
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12515647, member: 1193″]
Yep it does. Kudos to my man for sticking it out. That’s not always easy.
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THE hardest thing imo when it comes to testing/reviewing. So massive props to [USER=49557]@OldeDude[/USER]
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 12513880, member: 77429″]
Around the apex the ball flight is on the flatter end of the spectrum. I’m not seeing a rapid climb and fall at the apex.
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While I’ve being seeing a bit lower flight than what I get with the Kinetixx shafts, I agree with this 100%. It seems to be a bit more penetrating and flatter to the apex than a larger arc. I’m thinking I might need to pop into the shop during off peak hours to get on a sim
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12515659, member: 62865″]
While I’ve being seeing a bit lower flight than what I get with the Kinetixx shafts, I agree with this 100%. It seems to be a bit more penetrating and flatter to the apex than a larger arc. I’m thinking I might need to pop into the shop during off peak hours to get on a sim
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I’d be curious to see just how it compares to the Ballistic for sure
[QUOTE=”OldeDude, post: 12515509, member: 49557″]
Another round with the Phoenix 5-R, and I will be taking it out of the E723 and putting it in my G425 LST. Started out good, first hole I used it on was the par-4 3rd, a dogleg right, and hit that nice mid-low fade to the middle of the fairway with good distance. Next one was the par-4 6th, similar tp the previous one, just rolled into the right rough. I was starting to think I might be getting the hang of this thing, seemed to like a more deliberate transition. I usually try to start my back swing low and slow, then just let things happen from there, but I was finding if I slowed down the transition at the top, felt almost like a pause, although I know it wasn’t, I still couldn’t feel the club load or release, but I might be getting some consistency. Never mind, It was back to all over the place after that, including a couple of penalties from bigger misses. This course finishes with par-5 / par-3 / par-5, so on the par-5 16th I swapped back to my UST LIN_Q Red, and what do you know, best drive of the day, my normal mid/mid-low slight fade to the middle of the fairway, almost 230 yds, which is a pretty good drive for me. Well best drive until the 18th, where I hit another one to the middle of the fairway,similar flight, this time an elevation assisted 260 yds, which is long for me on that hole.
So I’ll try to swap the tip out for the 425 as soon as I can, and maybe carry both drivers for at least one round. If I can get a solo round in like today, where I could have been playing two balls off the tee if I wanted to, I’ll get some side-by-side comparisons with the two drivers.
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so do you attribute your struggles to the lack of sensing that feel and release?
(and I’ll echo others that I appreciate the honest feedback)
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12515662, member: 1579″]
I’d be curious to see just how it compares to the Ballistic for sure
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Very fair, that one does seem to fly in a lower window than the hypersonic. Not that the phoenix seems very close to the Ballistic for me, but it is much closer to the Ballistic compared to the Hypersonic.
When I time up the hypersonic, I get these lovely towering type drives that go. But when I don’t time it, it’s wide-dispersion city. They lack of that feel and release I’m seeing with the Phoenix seems to be reigning me in a little bit so far.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12515672, member: 62865″]
Very fair, that one does seem to fly in a lower window than the hypersonic. Not that the phoenix seems very close to the Ballistic for me, but it is much closer to the Ballistic compared to the Hypersonic.
When I time up the hypersonic, I get these lovely towering type drives that go. But when I don’t time it, it’s wide-dispersion city. They lack of that feel and release I’m seeing with the Phoenix seems to be reining me in a little bit so far.
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That is three really good case studies of why fitting matters so damn much for the individual and them knowing what profiles work for their needs. ??
What do you all think of the looks of these shafts?
As Ted Lasso would say, “Oklahoma”.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12515684, member: 1193″]
What do you all think of the looks of these shafts?
As Ted Lasso would say, “Oklahoma”.
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Boring. Plain. Dated.
Coming from what they once had with ion plating in some other models, this loses me. That said, I know it’s a cheaper finish than ion for sure. But it looks a bit clip-art-y to me.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12515684, member: 1193″]
What do you all think of the looks of these shafts?
As Ted Lasso would say, “Oklahoma”.
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love the simplistic matte, fan of the understated graphics, very meh on the graphic execution
Reason I like the simple finish and understated total amount of graphics is that it really won’t clash with any clubhead you choose to put it into. It’s vain, but it bugs me if you have a flashy shaft that doesn’t correspond with the clubhead. Just wish the graphics were done with a little more polish.
Yea, that’s kind of where I was at too. Just needs some refinement.
The finish of the shaft is good, also safe. The graphics are very meh. I appreciate the cost saving aspect but should have leaned into it, go ultra minimal with just the text and skip the clip art birds.
[QUOTE=”baylrballa, post: 12515650, member: 52381″]
Any predictions/hopes for the new combo?
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I got the G425 LST as the results of a Club Champion fitting, and although I would have never expected a low spin head/low spin shaft combo to fit me well, the G425 with the Tensei 1K Pro White shaft worked surprisingly well. I’m hoping the Phoenix 5-R will be another profile that on paper shouldn’t be the best fit for me, and that has been pretty much proven in the E723 at least, but maybe it can work better in a different driver head.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12515663, member: 62865″]
so do you attribute your struggles to the lack of sensing that feel and release?
(and I’ll echo others that I appreciate the honest feedback)
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I think the lack of feel is the biggest issue for me, but I also think it’s just a profile that doesn’t match up well for me and the E723 driver. I’m kind of optimistic that the profile will be a better match with the G425 LST, but still concerned about the lack of feel.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12515684, member: 1193″]
What do you all think of the looks of these shafts?
As Ted Lasso would say, “Oklahoma”.
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I’ll agree on what has already been said, kind of blah with the clip-arty graphics, but otherwise I’m okay with the plain flat black look. Not a big deal for me, I put it graphics down anyway, and I’ll take plain over some of the really wild and flashy shafts I’ve seen.
That is super interesting to me as i havent been seeing that penetration in the flight with the 6S. Seems to get up pretty quickly. It could be the because of Aerojet Max head though, maybe? I have been hitting than i ever remember with it, regardless of the shaft. Whatever it is, i had expected to see more what you describe, but has not been that for me so far.
I like the black and colors within the graphics, but the graphics themselves feel sloppy and unrefined. Almost feels like they just reused some old artwork they had sitting around from yesteryear instead of coming up with something more modern looking/feeling. It doesnt bother me just agree with the clip arty vibes and meh feeling.
I think that’s good feedback guys. Something relatively minor that could improve the product in future generations.
[QUOTE=”checkered, post: 12516065, member: 5710″]
That is super interesting to me as i havent been seeing that penetration in the flight with the 6S. Seems to get up pretty quickly. It could be the because of Aerojet Max head though, maybe? I have been hitting than i ever remember with it, regardless of the shaft. Whatever it is, i had expected to see more what you describe, but has not been that for me so far.
I like the black and colors within the graphics, but the graphics themselves feel sloppy and unrefined. Almost feels like they just reused some old artwork they had sitting around from yesteryear instead of coming up with something more modern looking/feeling. It doesnt bother me just agree with the clip arty vibes and meh feeling.
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well now I think I need to get out a bunch more, maybe it’s just been my swing, and do some side by side
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12516202, member: 62865″]
well now I think I need to get out a bunch more, maybe it’s just been my swing, and do some side by side
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And i want to get on a monitor to check my perception and do some comparison. Calling today to try to get a reservation for tomorrow to do so.
Little Data Dump, Phoenix on the right, Kinetix Ballistic on the left
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[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12519476, member: 62865″]
Little Data Dump, Phoenix on the right, Kinetix Ballistic on the left
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That’s pretty interesting stuff. How did you feel about the session? Did one or the other stand out to you before seeing the numbers?
While it won’t be in a driver setup, there will be a Phoenix 5-TS available for the boys to hit in a 3w for #festibus for some more feedback this weekend.
[QUOTE=”kiwichris, post: 12519561, member: 57426″]
While it won’t be in a driver setup, there will be a Phoenix 5-TS available for the boys to hit in a 3w for #festibus for some more feedback this weekend.
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I’ll have the 4-TS with me on Sunday at bear dance. Just need to remember to ask [USER=61066]@Coloradomrg[/USER] to throw that Callaway rogue (or was it an epic) driver head in his bag for any righties who want to take a few wacks with it on the range.
[QUOTE=”leftybob, post: 12519642, member: 77429″]
I’ll have the 4-TS with me on Sunday at bear dance. Just need to remember to ask [USER=61066]@Coloradomrg[/USER] to throw that Callaway rogue (or was it an epic) driver head in his bag for any righties who want to take a few wacks with it on the range.
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I have an extra epic ls I believe. And I’ll have my Paradym with me.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12519513, member: 1193″]
That’s pretty interesting stuff. How did you feel about the session? Did one or the other stand out to you before seeing the numbers?
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That’s not one session but comparing on-course shots for 2024 that I‘ve tracked so far. But if you had asked me how they compared without seeing numbers I would have guessed the end results would have been pretty similiar which I think is reflected in the numbers here. Seems ballflight is a little lower with the Phoenix with the caveat that I’m not the most consistent driver of the ball. Hoping to get out soon to compare direct on a monitor of some kind to see that and should be able to log another 12-14 on course drives this weekend when I get out for 18
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12519713, member: 62865″]
That’s not one session but comparing on-course shots for 2024 that I‘ve tracked so far. But if you had asked me how they compared without seeing numbers I would have guessed the end results would have been pretty similiar which I think is reflected in the numbers here. Seems ballflight is a little lower with the Phoenix with the caveat that I’m not the most consistent driver of the ball. Hoping to get out soon to compare direct on a monitor of some kind to see that and should be able to log another 12-14 on course drives this weekend when I get out for 18
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Apparently I am an idiot. Of course that’s what I was looking at ?
Is the lower flight something you are liking?
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12520239, member: 1193″]
Apparently I am an idiot. Of course that’s what I was looking at ?
Is the lower flight something you are liking?
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Don’t mind it with the baked out fairways right now but would prefer a little more height
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12520243, member: 62865″]
Don’t mind it with the baked out fairways right now but would prefer a little more height
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Maybe a loft tweak, though I think those accuracy stats are pretty solid as-is.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12520244, member: 1193″]
Maybe a loft tweak, though I think those accuracy stats are pretty solid as-is.
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I’ve thought about it. Already +1 and not a huge fan of how the Paradym heads sits when going to +2. Going to play it out a little more and see where things either go or settle in.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12520268, member: 62865″]
I’ve thought about it. Already +1 and not a huge fan of how the Paradym heads sits when going to +2. Going to play it out a little more and see where things either go or settle in.
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Yea, I can relate to that 100%.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12520269, member: 1193″]
Yea, I can relate to that 100%.
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What, that we are amateur golfers prone to having inconsistent swings?!?! lol
Jokes aside, I’m seeing pretty good dispersion so far and enjoying the feel so this certainly has the potential for staying power in my bag.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12520272, member: 62865″]
What, that we are amateur golfers prone to having inconsistent swings?!?! lol
Jokes aside, I’m seeing pretty good dispersion so far and enjoying the feel so this certainly has the potential for staying power in my bag.
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Always nice for it to work out that way. Just the data alone lead me to think you’ve got a great contender there.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 12519476, member: 62865″]
Little Data Dump, Phoenix on the right, Kinetix Ballistic on the left
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Whats with all the Callaway? ?
[QUOTE=”jdtox, post: 12520357, member: 5944″]
Whats with all the Callaway? ?
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just different tags for the same Paradym X head currently in the bag
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