True, but what possible motivation would any company have to deviate from that standard?
there is no standard. the USGA only measures for 48" conformity
imagine a top shaftmaker needing a conversion chart in their tour truck for the various OEMs
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True, but what possible motivation would any company have to deviate from that standard?
If I've stuck both shots well? It's pretty close.
Look at the lofts though. 18* 4-iron? No thanks. Im all for loft jacking when it makes sense but this is crazy. You reach a certain point where loft gets so extreme that you lose spin and carry distance. You might say that less spin is fine because it will give you more distance and thats true in your driver but not in clubs like irons where you need the spin to get the ball to stop on the green.
Two things. After re-reading what I typed, I realized it came across argumentative, which was not my intent, so I apologize in that regard. Second, that's interesting and not something I have considered. I'll try to track down that video @McLovin referenced.
I completely disagree on left jacking being to reign in ball flight. It's nothing more than a pursuit for more distance to win the launch monitor war and sell more clubs.But, if you look at some of the reviews so far, you see that peak heights and descent angles are actually on par with similarly stamped irons. Ian from TXG was hitting the Epic Forged the same height as his 6 iron even though it is much stronger in loft. I think the purpose of the strong lofts is to help reign in the flight. A necessity more than a distance selling point.
I completely disagree on left jacking being to reign in ball flight. It's nothing more than a pursuit for more distance to win the launch monitor war and sell more clubs.
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honest question: why would callaway jack lofts to "sell more clubs" for a release that is priced at the smallest segment of golfers? if the goal was just to sell clubs, wouldn't they do this in a higher production unit with more appealing pricing?
the nice thing is, you can buy clubs with whatever lofts you want to. no one is forcing you to buy anything. callaway and many other companies offer clubs with wide ranges of specs.
I completely disagree on left jacking being to reign in ball flight. It's nothing more than a pursuit for more distance to win the launch monitor war and sell more clubs.
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I think your focusing on the wrong aspect of the design. Designs such face cup technology make the club face hotter which in turn makes the ball launch faster and higher which wouldn't be a problem if you like a more ballooning ball flight but that would never work for 95% of the golfing population. Instead you tweak the loft stronger to decrease the angle at which the ball rockets off the face so that you maintain a flight that pierces the wind but sustains enough lift to carry high enough to have a good descent angle as the ball approaches impact with ground. That's why it's such a hot topic on early reviews for these irons. Descent angles are still hitting numbers that will hold greens for golfers yet maintaining distances not previously seen with such static shafts lengths and lofts. At least thats how I understand it.
honest question: why would callaway jack lofts to "sell more clubs" for a release that is priced at the smallest segment of golfers? if the goal was just to sell clubs, wouldn't they do this in a higher production unit with more appealing pricing?
I think your focusing on the wrong aspect of the design. Designs such face cup technology make the club face hotter which in turn makes the ball launch faster and higher which wouldn't be a problem if you like a more ballooning ball flight but that would never work for 95% of the golfing population. Instead you tweak the loft stronger to decrease the angle at which the ball rockets off the face so that you maintain a flight that pierces the wind but sustains enough lift to carry high enough to have a good descent angle as the ball approaches impact with ground. That's why it's such a hot topic on early reviews for these irons. Descent angles are still hitting numbers that will hold greens for golfers yet maintaining distances not previously seen with such static shafts lengths and lofts. At least thats how I understand it.
Another way an OEM could look at it is just the opposite. They want the longest irons for the given number so they "jack" the lofts. If that is all they did in pursuit of distance the ball would launch lower, fly lower and the clubs would be more difficult to hit. After all, the lower the loft on clubs the harder they are to hit for the typical golfer. So now they incorporate technology that compensates for the characteristics of jacked lofts while still increasing distance; they lower the COG, add face cup technology etc., to get a launch angle and ball flight that fits within an acceptable "window" for the number on the bottom of the iron.
I prefer to think your explanation and what Callaway told us at #TheGrandaddy when we were there is the reason for the stronger lofts, not the pursuit strictly of distance but distance being a byproduct of the technology they are utilizing in their irons.
They did ... with the Rogue X. And like these Epics, they compensated for the extra distance by adding a wedge. So as I said in an earlier post, the set composition is similar to other distance irons, these are just labeled one club weaker. Which is fine, I guess. At least Callaway addressed the gapping issue by adding a wedge.
based off my conversations regarding this exact design, what you mentioned in the bold section is 100% correct.
honest question: why would callaway jack lofts to "sell more clubs" for a release that is priced at the smallest segment of golfers? if the goal was just to sell clubs, wouldn't they do this in a higher production unit with more appealing pricing?
the nice thing is, you can buy clubs with whatever lofts you want to. no one is forcing you to buy anything. callaway and many other companies offer clubs with wide ranges of specs.
I want to hit them.
I’m not scared.
Would these be suitable for a senior golfer looking for more distance. If so, I'm in.
Would these be suitable for a senior golfer looking for more distance. If so, I'm in.