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Personally I've always considered that ratio thing to be tosh.I tried using ratios but I don't think they're for everyone. It wasn't for me, as I couldn't get a consistent 1:1, 3:1 rollout every time. Instead, I pay more attention to the lie (in the rough, available green in relation to the pin, ground condition: soft/spongey vs. hard, etc.) and select my club accordingly. I alternate between my 60* and 55* clubs from there. For the most part, 60 is my go-to with a decent enough lie and 55 when it isn't so great.
Personally I've always considered that ratio thing to be tosh.
If I took enough time, I could probably calculate that a 22-yard chip with my 31-degree 7-iron on an 80 degree day from a certain lie to a green Stimping 10.5 will roll out 2.6 times farther than it carries or whatever.
But then there would be other days, other lies, other green speeds where that number might be 2.2 or 3.4 so the original 2.6 number is useless. Heck, when our greens get cut and rolled to tournament conditions a 7-iron chip that lands on the green will never stop rolling unless it wander into an uphill part of the green. Or in the winter when the fairway is dormant, a bump and run bounces much much hotter than in lush summer conditions.
And don't even get me started on grainy Bermuda fringes and their effect on the ball.
I agree it's not for everyone. I'm a geek, but I'm no Bryson on the course. The simplifying assumption I was taught was to use the putting stroke you would use for a putt of that distance, and then adjust to loft of the club to get the fly to roll ratio you want. Fast greens? Uphill/downhill lie? Those would factor into how I would start a putt, so they factor in to how I swing for my chip. With the state of my game, the precision of an axe works well enough. A scalpel would be of no value to me.
I subscribe to this approach:
Well it will drag really bad if you hit it fat. The main problem is, you're reducing the available heel-toe error range to almost zero.What
Yeah, Runyon's short game was pretty good. I chip using his chip/putt same set up/stroke method. I usually use an 8i to chip with.
I also use his same putt/stroke method with shorter pitches. Only difference is I use a more lofted clubs for pitches.
For me, Runyon's putt/chip method is mich more accurate, and distance control is as good as it gets. Distance is controlled just like using one's putter.
The only knock on Runyon's method is that the golfer uses his more upright putting set up to chip with. This set up causes the toe of the chipping club to hang below the heel. Some golfers are afraid this lower toe will cause fat shots.
Not true. Since the ball is contacted more towards the toe of the club, with minimal practice, fat shots are not a problem. I haven't hit a fat chip in years.
I understand your concerns. I use to chip the way you discribed. I just found Runyon's method to be easier for the ressons I explained. Also, with the lower toe, I don't ground the club. To each his own. No problem.Well it will drag really bad if you hit it fat. The main problem is, you're reducing the available heel-toe error range to almost zero.
With a putter you can more or less get the ball online and moving even if you strike it a full inch toward the heel or toe. With an iron soled parallel to the ground you can probably get by with not quite as much but 1/2" or 3/4" heel or toe strike is still going to get in the vicinity of the hole or a little short.
Stand an iron up to where the sole is 10 degrees or more upright relative to the ground and even 1/4" toward the heel or toe will make the ball go nowhere. If you hit it 1/2" heel or toe side you might whiff. And there's also that thing about the toe digging into the ground.
Paul Runyon had 99.9999th percentile hand eye coordination plus his "putting" stroke was learned on greens that were Stimping slower than some modern fairways. For those of us struggling to make precise contact and whose putting stroke is a very upright pendulum action, the whole toe-down iron thing is just needlessly reducing the room for error.
If I'm going to chip with an iron, it will be with the club held in a normal lie and grip and the sole roughly parallel to the ground. If I'm going to use a putting stroke, I'll use a putter. I just can't afford to make things more delicate and demanding than they have to be.
What??? So just to clarify you Have 0 wedges in you bag???More about feel and finesse to me
I don’t own any lofted wedges or hybrids