I’m with you on that. I play an off a lot of hard pan and tightly packed sand down here, so I need to keep my RTX Zipcore 58-6 in the bag. If I’m playing up North, I ditch the 54*&58* and just use a 56*. Up there the courses I play have such deep rough around the greens, I’m just looking to get the ball out and on.
I've never owned a Scotty and don't recall even trying one out at a retailer, primarily due to price. Are they really that much better than everything else out there, or is it just hype and the "prestige" of owning one that makes them so wanted?
They are very nice, but quite frankly I prefer the feel of my MCraft Mizunos to any Scotty I ever tried. But it works for the kid.
You’re already rolling a Toulon which might cost even more, so I would’ve thought you’d have tried a Scotty or something similarly priced putter?
You can pay $200 for a great bottle of wine, but you can also get a great bottle of wine for $20. Jim Furyk won the Deutschebank (Boston), with a used $49 putter he bought at a local golf shop.
Or you can pay $700-800 for a fitted L.A.B. putter and carry that monstrosity in your bag. When one of the guys showed up with one he did get a ration of crap about it. I did hit a few putts with on off the rack at Goof Fallacy and it was the most stable putter I’ve ever felt. Scotty’s are over priced too IMHO.
The Toulon I got at the 2018 #TheGrandaddy.
Have had 2 Scotty's and 1 Bettinardi. I'm anal about keeping my clubs in pristine condition. Probably why I have always like Ping irons for their indestructability. Worried all the time about getting a ding or mark on the "fancy" putters. My Ansers take away that worry. And, they still do make the occasional putt. :>)
In my observation, WAY OVER 90% of golfers can't consistently start a putt on the intended line. Another 90% can't consistently read a putt. Another 90% + cannot get the speed correct consistently. Without being able to do all of those things, a better putter *might* leave your second putt closer to the hole, but it won't appreciably change how many first putts you hole.
I think the point you are making is that if you're not good at the basics of putting then it doesn't matter much which putter you use or how much you spend. I tend to agree, but I wouldn't say over 90% of golfers have the problems that you mention. Now 90% or more of Average Joes and/or high HCs? Probably so.
That is my point. As far as overstating how few players can consistently read the putt, put it on the intended line, and with the proper speed--maybe not.
Re: Scotty Scheffler
My short game/putting is around scratch, and my full swing game is around a 22 HI.That is my point. As far as overstating how few players can consistently read the putt, put it on the intended line, and with the proper speed--maybe not.
First of all, I am a low-handicap player and play a lot of my golf with other low-handicap players. So, my observations may be biased in the other direction.
Second, who but a player who can consistently accurately read putts, start them on the intended line, and with the correct speed could make this assessment? If you aren't one of those players, how would you know whether the miss was due to the read, line, or speed?
At the macro level, there are about 25 million golfers in the U.S. Of those, there are only 100,000 golfers with handicaps under 4. That's only 0.4% of all golfers. Now it's true that not all golfers have a handicap. But on the low handicap end of the scale, the vast majority do except for professionals. So add say 10,000 for all the professionals. You still haven't moved the needle.
It's also true that not all low-handicap players are good putters, and not all great putters are low-handicap players. But even if you triple these numbers you are barely over 1% of all golfers. Still an order of magnitude away from what I have observed. So, maybe I'm being too generous.
I think you’re stating the obvious, and I wouldn’t limit it to putting either.That is my point. As far as overstating how few players can consistently read the putt, put it on the intended line, and with the proper speed--maybe not.
First of all, I am a low-handicap player and play a lot of my golf with other low-handicap players. So, my observations may be biased in the other direction.
Second, who but a player who can consistently accurately read putts, start them on the intended line, and with the correct speed could make this assessment? If you aren't one of those players, how would you know whether the miss was due to the read, line, or speed?
At the macro level, there are about 25 million golfers in the U.S. Of those, there are only 100,000 golfers with handicaps under 4. That's only 0.4% of all golfers. Now it's true that not all golfers have a handicap. But on the low handicap end of the scale, the vast majority do except for professionals. So add say 10,000 for all the professionals. You still haven't moved the needle.
It's also true that not all low-handicap players are good putters, and not all great putters are low-handicap players. But even if you triple these numbers you are barely over 1% of all golfers. Still an order of magnitude away from what I have observed. So, maybe I'm being too generous.
I’m like you, only different.
So it cancels out for a 10?
No, 16.5.
I can appreciate this. My putting and short game is good. My driving accuracy is very good, although I don’t hit it very far. My index is 13.7. Other than short game and driving, I struggle.
That sounds like your approach game is the weak link. What course lengths are you playing?
I was rudely reminded today that I haven’t figured out how to play on frozen greens. I did much better after they thawed. After making 182’ of putts Saturday, I’m not sure I made 50’ of putts today. Sucks when you have to hit it to 2’ to make a birdie.
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