JayB
Well-known member
To me its less about yardage and more on hole design; is it setup for risk / reward on going for it in 2 vs 3. You can achieve good par 5 hole design sothout being very long.
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I assume anybody saying par 5s are too short are averaging par or better on those par 5s.
Yes, simply because most amateurs just aren't that good. If everyone was scoring an eagle or birdie I'd change my mind.
do you think most public average courses have par5's that are really too short to be a 5.
Caveat being that I'm not saying anything about them being too short but longer would offer some interest.I assume anybody saying par 5s are too short are averaging par or better on those par 5s.
If you're averaging par, seems that they are perfect.Caveat being that I'm not saying anything about them being too short but longer would offer some interest.
Perfect being relative. If I only played 5000 yard courses, I'd likely average par, a measurement of perfect. But where's the fun in that?If you're averaging par, seems that they are perfect.
Can you move back?
Right, but what are you playing now? Can you move back a tee box?Perfect being relative. If I only played 5000 yard courses, I'd likely average par, a measurement of perfect. But where's the fun in that?
I do, I play most of my solo rounds from the back except when I play with a group from the blues.Right, but what are you playing now? Can you move back a tee box?
I like the "shorter" par 5s that give me a risk/reward opportunity with a long iron or FW... in all honesty I probably score worse for these on average as the longer par 5s take this decision out of my hands (might play driver 6i to a distance). I like being able to "go for glory"
Honestly imo I don't think how often the hole is pared or birdied is relevant at all. By that logic we can then say most any hole is too long because most amateurs don't par (nor certainly birdie) most holes most the times anyway. Imo that's not really part of the equation. Not just you but what a number are suggesting similar to you would be like saying anyone whos cap is not low and don't par most holes should be playing the most forward tee. Its really not relevant imo.OP Please don't take this the wrong way, but I'm going to tell you something a friend told me when I complained about a short hole. he said, "you're a 13 handicap... are you seriously complaining the course is too short for you?" That shut me up quick. BTW I see in your sig you're a 15. :confused2:
At our 9 hole course at Crystal Springs in NJ one par 5 is 550 from the whites, 583 from the blues and 624 from the blacks (the tips)! Now, THAT'S a par 5. As a starter at that course often, I tell the players to think that even a 300 yard drive will still give them a 250 yard 2nd to the green FROM THE WHITES!
Well then if that doesn't make sense, how about this? 90% of golfers probably think the lengths are fine. Not only that, your "too short" premise is not even a consideration to the vast majority of them. They consider each hole on it's own merits, yardage being only one part of the equation. I will, however, stick to my guns with one part of my earlier response. At it's core, golf is a game where they hand you a scorecard and a pencil at the start. You go out, play, and total your score at the end. If you feel that you have mastered the par 5's where you are currently playing, and your scores are too low because of that, I suggest you need to look for a longer course that will challenge you.Honestly imo I don't think how often the hole is pared or birdied is relevant at all. By that logic we can then say most any hole is too long because most amateurs don't par (nor certainly birdie) most holes most the times anyway. Imo that's not really part of the equation. Not just you but what a number are suggesting similar to you would be like saying anyone whos cap is not low and don't par most holes should be playing the most forward tee. Its really not relevant imo.
***I apologize for the reply being to this quote. It was placed here by error. It was meant for the OP.***
That's like being on a 90 yard par 3 or lets say a 260 yrd par 4 and then not making par. Does that mean those holes were not long enough just because we didn't par them? Is any hole that isn't often pared too long or long enough? That logic doesn't work imo because its got little if anything to do with it.