Which ones? I will avoid them.We have a couple of courses that are going to **** it up for all of IL. They are being blatant about not following orders and even advertising it through email and social media. Stupid a**holes.
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Which ones? I will avoid them.We have a couple of courses that are going to **** it up for all of IL. They are being blatant about not following orders and even advertising it through email and social media. Stupid a**holes.
I'd rather not say as I don't want to get them in trouble and then get the whole state shut down (like the Governor reads THP, but you never know ). I am not happy about it, but as my wife says, I can't change the world so try not and let it bother you.Which ones? I will avoid them.
That is the problem with having no due process rights and career politicians and their never worked in the private sector “ staffs” make decisions without legal authority.. If a State puts rules in place and a course wants to challenge the rules( many of which are unjustified and would not survive a legal challenge) then go to court. That is the proper forum. By the same token if a facility has allegedly done something illegal the government can charge them give them their due process rights to defend themselves and if proven and legally justified sanction and penalize them. You cant as the governor say someone broke my rule so every course in the State will be closed as punishment. That is absurd. You cant just punish everyone for the actions of others. My course as im sure the majority of courses are doing is following the rules. Just as where you are im sure. So in spite of that some politician who thinks they can do whatever they want will have a fit and close everyone. And beyond golfers losing their right to golf they would inflict financial harm and ruin on non offending courses. And arbitrarily putting people out of work for no reason. Thats not what should happen in a Democracy.We have a couple of courses that are going to **** it up for all of IL. They are being blatant about not following orders and even advertising it through email and social media. Stupid a**holes.
I would go the other way - giving people info so they make informed decisions about who they want to support is a good thing. If the course wants to choose a particular approach they deserve to live with the consequences. Same is true for the courses who choose to follow the rules.I'd rather not say as I don't want to get them in trouble and then get the whole state shut down (like the Governor reads THP, but you never know ). I am not happy about it, but as my wife says, I can't change the world so try not and let it bother you.
I am honestly at the point that I don’t care. I wish we were just open everything up and let the chips fall as they are. The regulations I’m reading about to restore youth soccer is so ridiculous. I am/was a person that believes strongly in social distancing. However with this crazy as we are getting, I am no longer sure of that opinion. We need to find a good middle ground and there doesn’t seem to be one.That is the problem with having no due process rights and career politicians and their never worked in the private sector “ staffs” make decisions without legal authority.. If a State puts rules in place and a course wants to challenge the rules( many of which are unjustified and would not survive a legal challenge) then go to court. That is the proper forum. By the same token if a facility has allegedly done something illegal the government can charge them give them their due process rights to defend themselves and if proven and legally justified sanction and penalize them. You cant as the governor say someone broke my rule so every course in the State will be closed as punishment. That is absurd. You cant just punish everyone for the actions of others. My course as im sure the majority of courses are doing is following the rules. Just as where you are im sure. So in spite of that some politician who thinks they can do whatever they want will have a fit and close everyone. And beyond golfers losing their right to golf they would inflict financial harm and ruin on non offending courses. And arbitrarily putting people out of work for no reason. Thats not what should happen in a Democracy.
One point of clarification - in most, if not all states, the governors do have legal authority to make these decisions. It is the laws which govern emergency declarations.That is the problem with having no due process rights and career politicians and their never worked in the private sector “ staffs” make decisions without legal authority.. If a State puts rules in place and a course wants to challenge the rules( many of which are unjustified and would not survive a legal challenge) then go to court. That is the proper forum. By the same token if a facility has allegedly done something illegal the government can charge them give them their due process rights to defend themselves and if proven and legally justified sanction and penalize them. You cant as the governor say someone broke my rule so every course in the State will be closed as punishment. That is absurd. You cant just punish everyone for the actions of others. My course as im sure the majority of courses are doing is following the rules. Just as where you are im sure. So in spite of that some politician who thinks they can do whatever they want will have a fit and close everyone. And beyond golfers losing their right to golf they would inflict financial harm and ruin on non offending courses. And arbitrarily putting people out of work for no reason. Thats not what should happen in a Democracy.
Can I be 25% #2, because of #1, and 75% #3 because this is the grestest country in the world no matter which # you are?Why people continue to try to politicize this, is baffling to me. I used to say EVERYBODY wants the same outcome. Sadly I dont think that is true anymore. I think there are three very large groups.
1. Hates President more than Loves America....Anything to make him look bad.
2. Loves President, nothing done will change that.
3. Those in the middle that just want to see a happy medium that takes care of those and areas that need care and opens up economy reasonably so that millions more don't lose work and have to rely on assistance if it even exists.
Genuinely I ask, because this is the perfect example of a post that didn't have to get political but did. Take out the opinion (not fact) about the President, include the link and nothing changes about your post. Why include it, other than to purposely work to divide?
And I am not trying to single this poster out, but its the perfect example of why things go political, when they don't have to. Nothing in the world changes about this post by not having the political segment to it, yet over and over on both sides there is more and more things said with the sole purpose to divide.
Maybe its a reflection of the country, that Orange Man Bad, therefore everything is his fault. Or a reflection of the people that are so self righteous that they think division is better than unity.
But I am saying it again, we have been incredibly lax and have allowed so much, but when we see posts (on both sides) that are made political when they dont have to be, something has to be said.
Where? I'm calling the police. I don't have that luxury so you shouldn't either. (kidding)Eating inside an actual restaurant for lunch today, feels weird.
This is what I believe and is fact. Our response was delayed. Ttypically as in the Bush and Obama administrations, the Feds took charge. They have FEMA, CDC, NIH, etc. It's been somewhat successful...
Local Vietnamese place that opened up no more than a month before they had to shut down. Was worried they wouldn't open back up, glad to support them.Where? I'm calling the police. I don't have that luxury so you shouldn't either. (kidding)
Enjoy it. It's one of the first things I look forward to doing again.
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Ours reopen next week. I'm already planning our dining itinerary.Eating inside an actual restaurant for lunch today, feels weird.
What exactly did Obama and the various federal agencies do during the 2009 H1N1 outbreak? If our response was delayed for Covid-19 it was almost non-existent back then.
That’s my point. Almost non-existent. It took several months for so much as a press conference. Only a small number of schools closed in a small area relative to the size of the country. No stay home, work safe orders, etc.2009 H1N1 Flu Pandemic Timeline
A timeline of major events that took place during the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic.www.cdc.gov
You tell me since you want to discuss it.What exactly did Obama and the various federal agencies do during the 2009 H1N1 outbreak? If our response was delayed for Covid-19 it was almost non-existent back then.
I wouldn't say the response was "delayed"That’s my point. Almost non-existent. It took several months for so much as a press conference. Only a small number of schools closed in a small area relative to the size of the country. No stay home, work safe orders, etc.
I’m not knocking the response, rather I think that’s what should have happened this go around. My son was 2 at the time and ended sick and testing positive for H1N1. Given our “essential” jobs, we’ve likely had Covid-19 as well when we were sick and assumed it was something else (flu, etc.).
Not if they are unconstitutional. Governors are not Dictators with unlimited power even though some seem to think they apparently are . Their actions are subject to challenge in Court and i suspect that will start happening.One point of clarification - in most, if not all states, the governors do have legal authority to make these decisions. It is the laws which govern emergency declarations.
What exactly did Obama and the various federal agencies do during the 2009 H1N1 outbreak? If our response was delayed for Covid-19 it was almost non-existent back then.
I suspect nearly all of the statutes have been on the books a long time which generally does not bode well for efforts to have a statute ruled unconstitutional.Not if they are unconstitutional. Governors are not Dictators with unlimited power even though some seem to think they apparently are . Their actions are subject to challenge in Court and i suspect that will start happening.
It’s not about fighting. What I said is correct. The best you could do is post an interview of an Obama alum that has false numbers in it.Not quite correct.... not at all. But like I've stated, it's impossible to discuss this situation. People's eyes turn red, their fists close ...
No, President Trump, the Coronavirus Is Nothing Like H1N1 Swine Flu Either
The president has been comparing his administration’s handling of COVID-19 to the way President Barack Obama’s team dealt with the H1N1 outbreak. He is wrong.www.propublica.org
Exactly i should have been more clear in my response. It is not the statute itself i am saying is unconstitutional. It is some of the actions being taken. The statute does not give a Governor the power to do whatever they want and it is their actions which can be challenged. They are not all powerful to act without challenge and i suspect we will see litigation over some of these actions.I suspect nearly all of the statutes have been on the books a long time which generally does not bode well for efforts to have a statute ruled unconstitutional.
Perhaps people will challenge specific actions taken under an otherwise legal statutory provision. I am not sure what standard would be applied so who knows. My hunch is state actions which infringe on some other C right (e.g., church) may fair better than every day run of the mill activities (e.g., hair salons) but I don't know for sure.