Today, my 2nd shot on a par 5 stopped 6" short of a stone retaining wall (pretty much flush with the fairway) in front of a stream running across the fairway. It was a shot I could have made, but my left foot would have been on the stone and there was some likelihood my follow through would hit the rock with my wedge. There were no red hazard markings in front of the stone (indicating no relief), so my assumption was the stone itself was the boundary of the hazard. The grass was mowed right up to the stone as if it was fairway. Do I get relief?
Scenario 2, guy hits a shot from 170 yards on the same hole and never sees the ball, there is hazard as mentioned, a creek which wraps from rt side of green around the front. Long is OB. He took relief on the green side of the creek with the idea he "probably hit on the green side and bounced in the creek" with one stroke. Theoretically, imo, the only correct solution is stroke and distance, replay the shot, since he didn't ever see where it went. Even if he didn't hit it OB, 2nd option is play from other side of the creek with 1 stroke. What say ye?
Scenario 2, guy hits a shot from 170 yards on the same hole and never sees the ball, there is hazard as mentioned, a creek which wraps from rt side of green around the front. Long is OB. He took relief on the green side of the creek with the idea he "probably hit on the green side and bounced in the creek" with one stroke. Theoretically, imo, the only correct solution is stroke and distance, replay the shot, since he didn't ever see where it went. Even if he didn't hit it OB, 2nd option is play from other side of the creek with 1 stroke. What say ye?
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