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macolyte said:
Well, that’s just flat out not true. The Aramco Series is part of the LET, which is a recognised tour by the OWGR. So, it very much lives within the ecosystem
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LIV asked DPWT to do what LET did with Aramco Series and get into this so-called ecosystem monopoly but they ran to Jay like a little b*tch and created the "strategic alliance" aka strategic monopoly.

The point is that OWGR didn't deny their application because of not being part of DPWT or some so-called ecosystem but because they said they couldn't accurately rank a team competition with 54 holes. This is exactly what the Performance 54 Aramco Series is and they get Rolex World Rankings.

So it's not that they can't rank LIV golf league it's that they don't want to because they need to protect the PGAT TV network revenue contracts.

It all comes down to GREED!
 
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Hacker67 said:
LIV asked DPWT to do what LET did with Aramco Series and get into this so-called ecosystem monopoly but they ran to Jay like a little b*tch and created the "strategic alliance" aka strategic monopoly.

The point is that OWGR didn't deny their application because of not being part of DPWT or some so-called ecosystem but because they said they couldn't accurately rank a team competition with 54 holes. This is exactly what the Performance 54 Aramco Series is and they get Rolex World Rankings.

So it's not that they can't rank LIV golf league it's that they don't want to because they need to protect the PGAT TV network revenue contracts.

It all comes down to GREED!
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No, actually they said the LIV format with teams and 54 holes could be worked around as it is for other events on compliant tours.

The real problem (which you know and have been told numerous times) is the closed shop nature of the tour and insufficient turnover of its members. And allowing Anthony Kim to come on board with a season long exemption isn't helping their cause on this front.
 
jdlive said:
No, actually they said the LIV format with teams and 54 holes could be worked around as it is for other events on compliant tours.

The real problem (which you know and have been told numerous times) is the closed shop nature of the tour and insufficient turnover of its members. And allowing Anthony Kim to come on board with a season long exemption isn't helping their cause on this front.
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If AK had wanted, he could have jumped into any PGAT event, at any time, and gotten points. I don't think having him show up does anything to help or hinder their goal of points.
 
Greg Kulbick said:
If AK had wanted, he could have jumped into any PGAT event, at any time, and gotten points. I don't think having him show up does anything to help or hinder their goal of points.
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There is a difference between a sponsor’s exemption (or a few) and just giving someone a card. The PGA Tour couldn’t just go to AK and give him full playing privileges for a whole season, which is what happened with LIV.
 
jdlive said:
No, actually they said the LIV format with teams and 54 holes could be worked around as it is for other events on compliant tours.

The real problem (which you know and have been told numerous times) is the closed shop nature of the tour and insufficient turnover of its members. And allowing Anthony Kim to come on board with a season long exemption isn't helping their cause on this front.
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What? They created a whole international series for a pathway to LIV.

Aramco Series is an invite and has no pre qualifier or pathway yet they get rankings.

Excuses, excuses, excuses and more lame excuses.
 
macolyte said:
There is a difference between a sponsor’s exemption (or a few) and just giving someone a card. The PGA Tour couldn’t just go to AK and give him full playing privileges for a whole season, which is what happened with LIV.
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You dont have to give someone a card to allow them to play.
Anthony Kim is not part of the team event structure currently.
There is zero doubt in most people's minds that if he wanted to play on the PGA Tour that was an option as well. He would have gotten a sponsors exemption to every event he wanted to play in.
 
JB said:
You dont have to give someone a card to allow them to play.
Anthony Kim is not part of the team event structure currently.
There is zero doubt in most people's minds that if he wanted to play on the PGA Tour that was an option as well. He would have gotten a sponsors exemption to every event he wanted to play in.
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Agreed that he would’ve gotten many sponsors invites, but it’s still not the same as what he’s getting from LIV. He couldn’t get exemptions into the playoffs for example. He would not be guaranteed to make nearly as much money with the 36-hole cut in most PGA Tour Events.
 
macolyte said:
Agreed that he would’ve gotten many sponsors invites, but it’s still not the same as what he’s getting from LIV. He couldn’t get exemptions into the playoffs for example. He would not be guaranteed to make nearly as much money with the 36-hole cut in most PGA Tour Events.
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What playoffs is he getting into now?
Yes he was guaranteed a signing amount. So is every guy on the PGA Tour from their sponsors, regardless of finish.
 
Greg Kulbick said:
If AK had wanted, he could have jumped into any PGAT event, at any time, and gotten points. I don't think having him show up does anything to help or hinder their goal of points.
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Sure it does, it shows they aren't in any way serious about meeting the criteria. Never were. Add it to the fact that a number of LIV guys can't get demoted no matter how bad they play due to their contracts.

And 1 event is very different than an entire season.
Hacker67 said:
What? They created a whole international series for a pathway to LIV.

Aramco Series is an invite and has no pre qualifier or pathway yet they get rankings.

Excuses, excuses, excuses and more lame excuses.
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Yeah, a pathway for how many? And they can still get bumped out if Greg signs someone else.

Your Aramco example was already debunked.

Spin, spin. spin. Lies, lies, lies.
 
jdlive said:
Sure it does, it shows they aren't in any way serious about meeting the criteria. Never were. Add it to the fact that a number of LIV guys can't get demoted no matter how bad they play due to their contracts.

And 1 event is very different than an entire season.

Yeah, a pathway for how many? And they can still get bumped out if Greg signs someone else.

Your Aramco example was already debunked.

Spin, spin. spin. Lies, lies, lies.
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It's only a 52 man league how many pathway spots do you want and no they can't get bumped by GN if you qualify you're in.

Aramco Series playing 54 holes with team competition getting rankings is a FACT!

It would be a dam shame if the Saudi's was a d*ck like Jay and ban any Aramco players from participating in any PGAT events.

You do realize the same folks running Aramco Series is the same folks running LIV Golf. Do you think it's coincidence that Aramco Series is referred to as Performance 54?

But you know what it's too late, it would take guys to long to catch up in rankings so OWGR accomplished what they wanted and delayed and make excuses long enough that the damage is not repairable.

The Majors will have some tuff decisions in the near future.
 
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Templet0n said:
If there was no AK Jeddah would have 45 posts.. lol
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Probably. But have you seen the leaderboard at Honda? Rory **** the bed. You have Lowry. And then a bunch of nobody’s.
 
JB said:
Probably. But have you seen the leaderboard at Honda? Rory **** the bed. You have Lowry. And then a bunch of nobody’s.
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JB said:
Probably. But have you seen the leaderboard at Honda? Rory **** the bed. You have Lowry. And then a bunch of nobody’s.
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Yeah. I have commented that about how crap the field is and have been on the tour.. it’s garbage.
 
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There’s just so many big names on LIV now, and they’re all playing every single event. In comparison to the PGAT and their paltry leaderboards and saturated commercials, the choice for which tour to follow (if you can’t juggle two) is an easy one.
 
David7 said:
There’s just so many big names on LIV now, and they’re all playing every single event. In comparison to the PGAT and their paltry leaderboards and saturated commercials, the choice for which tour to follow (if you can’t juggle two) is an easy one.
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Or folks are so fed up of the battle between both and their watered down player pools (inevitable with two leagues) that they are now following neither.
 
BuckNasty said:
Or folks are so fed up of the battle between both and their watered down player pools (inevitable with two leagues) that they are now following neither.
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You sir are a nasty hater.
 
BuckNasty said:
Or folks are so fed up of the battle between both and their watered down player pools (inevitable with two leagues) that they are now following neither.
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LIV - hard to find, ‘different’ watching experience
PGA - easy to find, practically unwatchable
 
Scooby45 said:
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To be fair the PGAT ones should get more replies than LIV when the event is interesting. The most amount of posts comes during the rounds and PGAT has a lot more screen time than LIV. 1 more round and the coverage is tee times instead of shotgun start. The first 2 LIV events happened to be pretty good at the same time that the PGAT events had weather issues impact their events. This 3rd event has the AK storyline that spilled into at least 3 threads. lol.
 
MrDC said:
Let's say the PGAT played ball from the beginning, said yes, we love it, let's do this.

How exactly would this work? I'd love to hear the brilliant ideas that would allow the players to accept 100's of millions of dollars from the Saudis and then continue to play on the PGAT tour beyond a fringe event or two, what would have worked for everyone?
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I think it would be exactly like how the Aramco Series is working with the LPGA and LET. LPGA and LET let their players play the Aramco Series for a few events. The Aramco Series is just a different format and a supplement to LPGA and LET and is not trying to take over the LPGA and LET. I'd bet LIV would have been smaller, never would have signed top players, and would have much less events.
 
tequila4kapp said:
LIV - hard to find, ‘different’ watching experience
PGA - easy to find, practically unwatchable
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I still have a really hard time watching all the commercials on the PGA. I'm just so allergic to commercials and break out in hives. 😂
 
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