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    These are the ones I've been waiting to see! Long time fan of the Apex line but never owned a set myself actually- that may have to change soon! I got a chance to see KEV's Apex Pros shortly after his Grandaddy experience and they are absolutely stunning!

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    Some of the pictures i was able to get during fitting day and at Hideaway.
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    So the Pros are a chrome finish and the reg apex are more of a brushed finish?


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    Q: What is the most technology sophisticated or technologically challenging piece of equipment from this release?
    A: The Apex irons.

    That was from one of the sessions with Callaway during our Grandaddy experience.

    Considering how deep this release is, the answer might come as a surprise. But the answer begins to make sense when we consider the totality of what is going on here. Each individual iron has a tungsten weight internally placed in unique location to maximize feel and performance (something Callaway calls MIM), cup face through the 8 iron in the Forged and 7i in the Pro sets, variable thickness faces to improve spin and performance across the face, and Callaway’s proprietary fill materials to improve feel – all within a pretty darn small club profile. That is extremely impressive. It was not easily achieved.

    A quick word about the construction / make up of these irons. We are looking at a fully forged club. Starting at the 8i the irons incorporate face cup technology. This is different from some competitors who’s irons have cast bodies with forged faces.

    With that out of the way let’s take a deeper dive into the irons and explore what I have been seeing from them so far (I have a handful of range sessions with the irons and have been on the course about 5-10 times).

    Looks
    As you can see from the pictures, the irons clearly pay homage to the recent Apex irons. I consider that a great thing. To my eye at least, the irons looks far more polished and finished than the leaked photos of the Xander prototypes (sometimes I think we forget what the word prototype means). Again, a good thing. The overall profile of the club trend toward the more compact. The top line is a touch thicker, a deviation from true player’s irons. This is a design combination I am very used to, and one that I like a lot. The smaller profile fits my eye and the top line provides a little extra confidence over the ball. I think Callaway hit a grand slam home run.













    So, we have an incredibly complex technology package in a pretty darn small profile. Does it work? In a word, “Yes.” Give me two words and I’ll say “Hell yes!”

    Feel
    I have played a lot of irons, including a few that are sometimes in the mix when people discuss the best feeling irons of the past 5 or 6 years. To me, the Apex Forged are every bit their equal if not superior. Now I must add that I’ve been playing courses where the 5i and 6i have not seen much use at all, but 8i (cup face) through AW (not cup face) have been getting a workout. My experience and opinion is that they feel phenomenal. Maybe a touch toward the sense of powerful through the ball over that sense of nothingness that can come with some forged irons. It is addicting.

    To be fair, some of the guys are sensing something different in the 5i and 6i – maybe more of a traditional cup face feel. I just haven’t played those irons enough to form a solid opinion. I’ve hit these clubs at the range. During those sessions I didn’t notice anything in particular regarding feel vs the rest of the set. Because of that I don’t quite agree with the feedback of the other guys but I’m going to need more time to tell, and I definitely want to test this on the course off of grass instead of the range off of a matt, before making any calls. I will make a point of getting to this soon.

    Performance
    Callaway calls these clubs “Player’s Distance Clubs” and that is exactly what I have seen from them. Let’s start with the distance part of the equation. I am easily seeing a Ĺ to full club extra distance.

    The 7th hole at a local course I often play is a par 3. With the pin on the back upper shelf it plays to 148 yards. There is often a disguised breeze in our face. That hole has called for a full 8i from me. With my prior set I almost always ended up on the lower shelf. With the Apex Forged I have been through the back of the green to the 1st cut or fringe about 5 times.

    At a recent lesson in an outdoor bay with Trackman – the exact bay/machine I have been on numerous times – my actual carry distance on a center strike was 159 yards. That is @10-12 more yards than with my prior set. And this was on a cold winter day with a range ball. On the next two swings the impact spot was low heel. Very low heel. My carry distances were @145 yards.

    I have seen these distance increases through the entire set. A 5i to a previously un-reachable number while in Palm Springs is a particularly fond memory. And no, I have not seen gapping issues transitioning from the cup face to standard face clubs.

    Okay, that’s distance. What about playability? The ‘player’s iron’ half of the equation is definitely there, too. It is pretty easy to move the ball left or right if I want to; I have been seeing straight shots on default / regular swings. I have been experimenting a lot with choking down on the scoring irons and hitting partial shots. This has been insanely effective for me so far. As an example, let’s come back to that 148 yard 7th hole. One time I played it that hidden head wind was not so hidden. I didn’t think a full 8i was enough and I knew a full 7i was too much. I choked down on a 7i and hit a ĺ swing flighted shot. The ball had a piercing trajectory and ended up pin high, about 15 feet from the hole.

    Speaking of trajectory, with the naked eye I would say it is comfortably at the mid-high to higher end of the spectrum (again, I’ve spent far more time with one end of the bag than the other). These are not ballooning shots. These are not shots that quickly reach a peak then fall out of the sky.

    I have been seeing a tremendous amount of action on approach shots with scoring clubs. Our greens are soft this time of year and that is surely a contributing factor. But I’ve played these same courses during prior winters with clubs of a similar profile but which are designed to be high spin. I don’t remember seeing this much action on scoring shots before.

    Turf interaction has been great. I typically have no divot or a shallow narrow divot. So far with the Apex Forged irons I have seen much deeper and longer divots. This is probably what proper divots are supposed to look like. What I notice is the club gets through the turf with incredible ease. I see the ball flying toward the hole. Everything seems great / normal, but when I look back I see a much different type of divot than I have been accustomed to seeing. I like it.


    The Bottom Line
    I’m a 15.6 handicap. I have swing flaws. Iron play is easily the worst part of my game. In 2017, my GIR rate was 30%. I did not keep tight statistics in 2018 but if anything my GIR numbers had to have been worse than in 2017. It is a very small sample size, but so far I don’t think I have been less than 50% GIRs with these irons. This is unheard of for me. Heck, I have often played two balls and have been hitting the greens with both of them. I N S A N E. In short, I have been seeing transformational type stuff from the Apex Forged irons so far. I know it is early. But so far my experience with these irons has been off the charts great. Charlton Heston “pry them from my dead cold hands” type stuff. I thought I’d keep and play my prior set forever. I sold them within a week of getting the Apex Forged irons. By all indications, these clubs really are that good.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JourdanInMich View Post
    Instant buy.
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    No joke, they really are. These are some freaking insanely good irons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tequila4kapp View Post
    No joke, they really are. These are some freaking insanely good irons.
    Yeah I sold my mizunos yesterday, these are getting ordered next Friday.


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    To start out I wanted to give you a little feedback on me and my swing in case anyone wants a comparison. Iím 35 years old and 6í1. I tend to have a very flat and short backswing and my swing can become all arms, be OTT and cast the club. This last season my iron game was definitely a weakness and I had a two way miss. In the past irons have been a strength.

    What I was fit in to: Apex Pro 5-AW with Nippon Modus 3 105 steel shafts.



    Looks: You know those movie scenes where the girl or guy walk through the door in slow motion and the lead character gets all googly eyed and instantly falls in love? Yep, thatís what happened with these. The lines, the profile and the chrome all lead to iron perfection. Honestly looking at both the regular Apex and Pro model you canít go wrong with either one in the looks department. The topline of the Pro is just thin enough to let you know that these mean business but not so much that itís fear inducing. The soles are on the thinner side which provides the better player the ability to make the type of shots they want but not so thin that it takes away confidence. This is a great confidence inspiring profile with killer looks.





    Feel/Sound: Plush, buttery, baby making music. Yeah that might sound weird but thatís what I feel with these, particularly the 8-AW. The 5, 6 and 7 arenít quite as soft feeling and the only thing I can point to is the Cup Face tech in those iron. However, the feeling is still right up there with any other iron in this category. Iíve played a lot of different irons and I would put this set against anything out there in this department.

    Performance: While in California I was seeing a bit of a unique situation where I was about a club shorter than my average. I found myself hitting a 7 iron where I would normally be hitting an 8. However, when I played at home in 44* weather I was back to seeing my normal yardages which has me really excited to see if I experience any gains during the summer. When playing in the simulator I seem to be seeing normal distances as well.

    When it comes to forgiveness I have been pleasantly surprised. In all transparency I had been fit in to a combo set which would have given me the Regular Apex in 5, 6 and 7 iron and provide that added forgiveness. Unfortunately they werenít available while we were there so I was given the choice between the regular and Pro. I went Pro with a little weariness about what I would see from the long irons. Fortunately for me it hasnít been an issue so far. The winter rust was in full effect in California and I was testing the full face quite often. What I was seeing was probably at most a clubís worth of distance loss which in this type of iron seems appropriate. I found thin shots to be very impressive in forgiveness and was probably left in better spots than I deserved several times. Thin to win baby!





    The most impressive thing Iíve seen, both in California and back home, has been the spin. Obviously fitting and iron shafts play a big role in this but I have seen spin that Iím not used to. I tend to be low spin with everything and I was actually backing shots up at The Hideaway. When I got out for 9 holes at home I was playing on frozen greens and couldnít believe how little rollout I was seeing. If this continues during the summer it could really be a game changer!



    I totally believe this is the best iron release since the last Apex. Between the Regular and Pro versions there should be something for everyone and both offer very high performance in a gorgeous package.
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    This has been the release I'm most interested in. Thanks for the detailed info guys
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    For those that gamed them in the grandaddy how was the spin on the irons?

    I loved the distances that I saw with the CF16, but the lack of spin on the 5-6I made it tough to hold greens, combined with the occasional popular "flyer" that people were experiencing as well made them tough to hold on to. Which was a shame cause I enjoyed my time with them for the most part.

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    The Apex Pro looks amazing!!!! That would be the way to go between the two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JourdanInMich View Post
    Yeah I sold my mizunos yesterday, these are getting ordered next Friday.
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    I expected to keep and play my PTx irons forever. Within a week of gaming the Apex Forged those clubs were sold.
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    Very impressed by the fact that these were said to be the biggest tech story from this release cycle, amazing! They are definitely all over my radar...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedean441 View Post
    For those that gamed them in the grandaddy how was the spin on the irons?
    thoughts?
    I saw one of the guys mentioned the pros spin about 500rpms less than the X-forged. Which really puts these high on my list for irons this year. Iím gonna need to buy a new set for 2019 and Iím liking the pros!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikedean441 View Post
    For those that gamed them in the grandaddy how was the spin on the irons?

    I loved the distances that I saw with the CF16, but the lack of spin on the 5-6I made it tough to hold greens, combined with the occasional popular "flyer" that people were experiencing as well made them tough to hold on to. Which was a shame cause I enjoyed my time with them for the most part.

    thoughts?
    I am seeing more spin and action on shots with scoring irons than I've ever seen. After one round I came back and told the guys I might need to change balls because I was getting too much spin.
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