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    I found the whole thing about the driver length interesting. We have had a healthy debate about the length of drivers. Many have taken the stand that shorter is better and others say they love the 45"+ driver. Its a debate that can go on forever.

    For the most part I found a lot of what he said insightful. There was still a lot that I had already known and it wasn't at all surprising. Overall a good read.


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    Seems like reasonable points to me. The "sweet spot" point is a bit ticky-tack. Guy has done this for a long time, and at least he'll explain WHY he does things like he does. If we disagree, we can go elsewhere.
    Isn't like the average golfer is going to read this and order a set. The average golfer gets 3 paragraphs in and drops it since the words "10 more yards" aren't in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripleThreat802 View Post
    Just want to throw out a little disclaimer...

    I never had heard of Wishon before. Somebody gave me a printed copy of that booklet and I thought it was interesting. I don't have any strong opinions one way or another.

    Whether it is Wishon preaching about custom fitting with his 12 myths or somebody else, I was more curious to see if anybody had gone from playing an "off the rack" set of clubs to getting custom fitted. If so, did they see any real positive results...?
    I got fitted at Redtail Golf Center in Beaverton about 4 weeks ago. When fitting, he basically gave me a free lesson on alignment and also mentioned swing path. I went out to the driving range after the clubs came and worked on turning my swing path from outside in to inside out and alignment. Now, I cannot say it was the clubs specifically or the lesson specifically...but I can say overnight I went from Sliceopottamus Rex to hitting primarily a light draw, a not-infrequent hook, and finding myself hitting quadruple the number of fairways and greens in regulation. My chipping game has cost me a lot of shots but after 2-3 weeks of using them on the course I can honestly say my typical round is 3-5 shots better. Mis-hits are down, accuracy is up.

    I give a lot of credit to the combination; I think the alignment/swing-pth improvement would have helped some, I think the clubs would have helped some. Put them together and I am on pace to move from a below average golfer to a low-teen handicap by end of year, maybe better if the instructor I subsequently signed on with is correct about my capabilities.

    The game is completely changed and I credit both equipment and instruction and cannot separate them...but I do swear by new, fitted equipment these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman View Post
    Technology advancement in clubs is real, its not chasing, the denial of it is a bit delusional on the other hand though.
    No doubt tech is real, but I haven't seen any evidence ever that he's wrong that distance is a function of loft angle, club length, swing speed, and how close you are to the sweet spot. I've never seen a real scientific comparison of old clubs and new of the same loft, length, and COR on an Iron Bryon or something that can deliver the same swing speed and hit the sweet spot every time. My money is on such a test showing no appreciable distance gains.

    That said, I believe there's a *ton* of things that tech can do to gain distance when you vary your swing speed, miss the sweet spot, etc. to deliver real distance gains to real golfers, not Iron Byrons. Like TM says, most hits are mishits. So distance gains on mishits are distance gains for real golfers playing golf.

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    I would take that bet 1000 times of 1000. Hello spin and launch profiles, not all heads produce the same, no matter the age or cor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Alvarado View Post
    No doubt tech is real, but I haven't seen any evidence ever that he's wrong that distance is a function of loft angle, club length, swing speed, and how close you are to the sweet spot. I've never seen a real scientific comparison of old clubs and new of the same loft, length, and COR on an Iron Bryon or something that can deliver the same swing speed and hit the sweet spot every time. My money is on such a test showing no appreciable distance gains.

    That said, I believe there's a *ton* of things that tech can do to gain distance when you vary your swing speed, miss the sweet spot, etc. to deliver real distance gains to real golfers, not Iron Byrons. Like TM says, most hits are mishits. So distance gains on mishits are distance gains for real golfers playing golf.
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    I think pages 7 & 8 are pretty dead on, as well as page 17 on driver length. There is some truth there. I had my PGA Teaching Pro (since 1965) read this today and he liked a lot of what was written here.

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    Wishon is a decent guy, he posts often to another site I used to frequent. He is certainly knowledgeable but at the end of the day it all about selling his clubs.
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    Just getting done with the booklet. He had some interesting thoughts, but man is that guy bitter.

    My cliff notes - basically, we're all idiots.
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    Tom's a very smart guy. Extremely talented and thorough clubfitter as well.

    He's got some feelings that mesh with mine and he's got some that don't, and that's reflected in his pamphlet there. If I agreed with everybody I'd be ashamed of myself.
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    Wishon is a clubmaker I've long admired. However, I felt like I was going to get the "Leave Page" warning message when I exited that pdf.








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    He has got some very good points and some that are a little far out there, I can definately agree with a few things he says and I am sure that he is very talented at what he does.

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    Wishon is a very smart guy. Like everyone, he has his opinions. He is also a salesman and owns a club business. I have had some decent conversations with him on forums regarding fitting techniques and club design.You just have to take from it what you can and form your own opinions. Not everything one person says can be taken as absolute fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman View Post
    I would take that bet 1000 times of 1000. Hello spin and launch profiles, not all heads produce the same, no matter the age or cor.
    What physical property of the club determines spin and launch profiles?

    I've never seen a spin bender or launch tape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Alvarado View Post
    What physical property of the club determines spin and launch profiles?

    I've never seen a spin bender or launch tape.
    The actual design.

    Not all heads are weighted the same. Not all of the surface area is distributed the same, for example, not all 460cc heads have the same distribution just because they're all 460cc. Shape, face depth, profile, weight, CG location, I can go on and on.

    Boiling it down to loft, lie, length, SS, and center mass strikes is absolutely crazy talk.

    Why some are SO anti-truth and technology I will never know. Even Mr. Wishon would know that club designers fight for even HALF grams to get the characteristics where they want them for the head.
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