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I've got something for you Jman. How consistent is the sound/feel through the set? On my VR Pro Combos, the pocket cavity irons give a very different sensation than the rest of the set, especially the blades. Is everything consistent with the s55s?
I'd like to know about forgiveness towards the toe. The s56's were fairly forgiving in that direction and Id be curious to know if that continued with this new model
Jman,
Looking forward to your thoughts on ball flight during your round today as well as how well you can hold the greens with your longer irons.
How do the stock options blend into your hybrids and wedges in the short end?
On this note- is the stock shaft a good pairing with the head ? I know many loved this shaft in other sets. To me, it is odd that this is the stock in the g25, i20 and s55. That's a wide berth of irons.
My question relates to that paradigm between forgiveness and being a players club. What is a fair spectrum to use to describe the range of players features and forgiveness, and where do these clubs fit on that spectrum?
Hi, sorry if I missed it but whats the interaction with the long grass like? Does it cut through or get caught up? Or is that something that only comes down to swing. Thanks
The top-line seems much thicker at address than I was expecting.
I was looking forward to your writeup and you did not disappoint. I would think with the CFS shaft, it would help with the long irons to keep it up in the air and give you the soft landing you were talking about. Such a huge advantage IMO for long par 3s and par 5s.
I've heard people talk about an iron head being low/mid spin, whatever. Would you consider the s55 a low, mid, or high spin head?
I will be able to give you am update on the long irons Sunday evening. James and I both have the same shafts. I love long irons (ask shifty about my 4 iron on 18 at TPC Vegas ) and am really looking forward to see how the long irons work on the course for me. Like I said earlier the 3 iron felt good indoor on the mat. For reference when I had burner 2.0 the 4 iron was about 215. With the DPC it is around 205 carry.
I am not comparing clubs but I figure that will a good reference point for distance.
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The top-line seems much thicker at address than I was expecting.
Not at all thick IMO.
That's good to know. Maybe it's just the camera angle on some photos.
Check out the second post, tons of pics on that one that might help. I'll try and shoot some side by sides with other irons very soon for ya too though.
Side by sides with others would be great. That's usually the best way for me to tell. Especially if I have seen them in person. Thanks James!
I like that you're still seeing comparable distances James. Those are some good pokes with a 9 iron dude. I imagine it was a bit of a shock to the system to have those in your hand for the first time, but if you're like me, it was probably really enjoyable as well. Variety is the spice of life.
James...throwing it out there...3 to 4 yards distance loss...perhaps partially to do with the time of year? Ball not going to fly as far?
I thought about that but today was warm and it's still there. I think really it's just going from a true "built for distance" iron to a players iron that's built for many things. Plus I haven't really been taking lofts into consideration as I'm more focused on the launch.
Lots of things tumbling around in the noggin right now.
Sounds good and truth be told those losses are minimal
LINKS TO PREVIOUS UPDATES:
As is standard practice for me in a forum review, I will place links to prior posts/reviews within this thread on these irons here, once the list becomes too long it will be placed into spoiler tags.
INITIAL THOUGHTS:
To say that I was eager to get these out on the course is an understatement. I actually went into it knowing that they were new to me and there would clearly be some inconsistencies just based on my swing and the fact that I've been playing irons in different areas of the spectrum (GI/SGI) so I wanted to (and did) play multiple balls tee to green in my round.
My goal here isn't to "hype" things, I'm just going to put down what I'm seeing/hearing/feeling. My thoughts ramble sometimes, so I'll try and keep it broken up and readable.
BALL-FLIGHT/SHAFT:
This was the first thing that I wanted to see, and eagerly. The pairing of the s55 heads and the CFS shafts has been super interesting to me from the start as they are mid-high launchers. I know some will turn their nose at that thought, and I used to be one of them, but year after year PING has done a PHENOMENAL job at pairing shafts with their irons. Plus, the CFS's are now used across the line (not new with PING as they did the same with their old ZZ's etc) so that raises an eyebrow. G25 AND the s55? Interesting.
All day long the ball flight was what I would call a solid mid-high for me. It was a windy day and I did end up playing the ball BACK a lot, but still, launch did not at all seem an issue on this first go round. Up quick, penetrating with no ballooning, and down on a nice arc that let me hold greens even with the 4i I hit into the green a couple of times. I'm honestly hoping, FOR ME, that the ball flight will come up a little more, but thats just because I know what I like nowadays personally. More time will obviously tell the story here.
DISTANCE:
I came in expecting a 1 club loss per iron moving to the s55's (about 10 yards for me). To keep an eye on this I actually tracked every one of my shots with the irons (and threw out the tops and a couple that were....hoselish) and my loss was 3-4 yards per club, leaving my 8i as my 160 club now. Honestly, I didn't see that coming and its a deviation that I can certainly play with. Why though? Is it the "better launch" that PING was going for with these? Maybe. But, it also could be that I know these are more demanding and my swing is responding as I was really compressing the ball pretty well all day long.
SOUND/FEEL:
Addicting on well struck shots. I'm not going to say it feels like forged or cast or any of that other crap, but I will say that on well struck shots I know that they are well struck shots. Its a very plush and pleasant sound off of the face. On the other end of the spectrum, when I missed, I also knew that right away, and I could tell WHERE I missed which is nice IMO. Thin? I knew it with a harsh clack, and felt it. Toe? Yep, pitch got higher and I could feel in my hands where I was at. This is exactly what I expected coming into these, these are players irons, they aren't SGI that will mask some sounds or sound the same across the face. You know when you miss, I personally like that.
LONG IRONS:
I used the 3i a good bit believe it or not, took it off the tee two times and the deck twice. One time I caught it about 2.5/3 grooves high and still got a decent mid ballflight and wound up at 208, def livable. Once I played it back a little into the wind and compressed it ideally, I saw a mid-high flight and ended up at 220, I'll take that all day. The third and fourth were off the deck and, well, the third was skull city....and the second too as I know I tried to lift the ball instead of letting the club work and killed approximately 3,498 worms.
The 4i/5i we played a handful as well, with decent success. I did hook a 5i off the planet somehow but on well struck shots got the mid-high flight that I personally am OK with in the longer irons. The 5i was way easier to hit off the deck than I had worked into my head (after all, I'm coming from a set where the long irons are really easy to elevate and moving to players irons), of course I did hook the one off the planet.
MID/SHORT IRONS:
The 6i/7i weren't actually used all that much so my memory is a little hazy, I played the crap out of the 8i-PW though. If I'm being honest, the 7-PW in this setup did-not/do-not/have-not concerned me coming into this because I really have a lot of confidence with those clubs in my hands. The s55's so far have affirmed that, the turf interaction on full and partial swing with these clubs is really nice, no digging, but I could still take some very aggressive divots when I wanted to. Struggled losing some shots right early on, but I think that was a manipulation thing with my hands, we shall see with my next round out.
Shot(s) of the day: 9i's from 153 and 151 to a slightly uphill green with a nice intentional baby draw on them, birdie on the long one, eagle on the short one:
PARTING THOUGHTS:
Its was an interesting debut, just like I expected. I wanted to get to put some feedback down but I think everyone realizes it takes a little time to get some real finite thoughts on things. Out the gates, they are what I thought they would be from a playability standpoint, but I will say the launch, feedback, and forgiveness were all above my initial thoughts coming in, not to say they're astounding or anything because its too early to know, but they definitely are NOT red flags either.
Also, some Q's that were asked while I was out playing:
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS:
Very. No awkwardness, but I didn't expect their to be any with PING's stabilizing bar technique and CTP.
Toed a couple 8i's pretty good. Definitely a little distance and line loss, but nothing earth shattering. As its my miss as well, this is something I plan on keeping a keen eye on going forward.
4i/5i held fine, skulled 3i's do NOT. LOL
More reps will let me answer this better as we go!
I'm not counting the hybrid as if not for that testing I wouldn't be playing a hybo if carrying a 3i. As to the stock shafts blending, no issues, I wouldn't ever expect there to be though as wedges are just that, wedges, and in the end the feel/profile difference there just isn't a biggie for me.
So far, yes. With more time we will see, but PING has ALWAYS been great and engineering a shaft that will work across their lines, I think the CFS's just fit a broad spectrum of golfers, not all mind you, but many.
I hate all the classifications being honest, I just use them because people and companies do. I think in some cases high cappers can play players irons and obviously vice-versa. These, so far, def a players iron, but I'm eager to spend more time and get a feel for the forgiveness that these do or do not have in them.
Really well when I let the clubs work, no digging, no snagging, just nice divots like the rest of the set.
As always, if any of you have Q's please ask, that is what helps these testings keep flowing!
James, SPECTACULAR write up. I love the question and answer feature. This is the best review I have ever seen. Period. Thanks so much for your hard work, photos and feedback.