Just a thought from me.
You're assuming that major OEMs haven't experimented with the idea in house.
You're assuming that major OEMs haven't experimented with the idea in house.
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baldguy
Part-Time Sasquatch
no, I am sure that most if not all of them have. But pursuing it is a poor marketing decision for the reasons I posted above. It would cost a ton to get people to buy into the idea, then there would be no profit to repay that investment because any OEM can do it.
The other side of it, the OEMs experimented with it, and I didn't work or provide enough benefit to pursue it further.
Zenger
Gunga... Gunga Galooga
At my local shop we have a set of "7 irons" length clubs. I've taken out the 3 iron can hit to about 175 to 180. Actual length 7 iron 165. It's literally every time. I've had multiple buddies try it to with similar results. Clubs are to close in distance. I will say that they were much easier to hit. But no good on distances
baldguy
Part-Time Sasquatch
I get what you're after, but I'm not just guessing at my answer. That info came straight from the people in the OEMs who did the evaluations and experiments. Pretty much everyone in golf club design that I could find an opinion from agrees that it's technically superior just not marketable. I would really like to read evidence to the contrary, though. I am trying to gather info before I experiment with it myself.
My friend Zenger has hit a set. And he gave it a "no bueno" (paraphrased)
baldguy
Part-Time Sasquatch
i meant evidence that OEMs scrapped the idea for technical reasons. There are plenty of positive user reviews
niteowl03
Active member
Just to be the "devil's advocate" here but that might depend on their definition of "benefit"...we all agree you arent going to be "17yds longer" and thats what they market everything on. No one would buy clubs that were marketed as "17% closer"
1 Iron Company
I have no experience with the concept. If JB and Zenger say it isn't great, I trust those two
Actually, Callaway tried an ad campaign similar. It didn't work. (I don't believe. I will get corrected if I'm wrong)
i meant evidence that OEMs scrapped the idea for technical reasons. There are plenty of positive user reviews
I have no experience with the concept. If JB and Zenger say it isn't great, I trust those two
Just to be the "devil's advocate" here but that might depend on their definition of "benefit"...we all agree you arent going to be "17yds longer" and thats what they market everything on. No one would buy clubs that were marketed as "17% closer"
Actually, Callaway tried an ad campaign similar. It didn't work. (I don't believe. I will get corrected if I'm wrong)
niteowl03
Active member
Thats my point "no one" wants to be accurate just long
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Just to be fair I said it didn't work for me. I'm sure it will work fine for someone and understand it fully.
My personal opinion is that there is a lot more to the reason it's not being done than what has been posted in here in regards to marketing, etc.
Fify...
niteowl03
Active member
I was about to edit and say that I actually believe can cant really market accuracy since its swing dependent.
1 Iron Company
Callaway tried to. They claimed you would be a few yards closer which may take 4 strokes off your scores.
Also distance is also swing dependent.
Callaway tried to. They claimed you would be a few yards closer which may take 4 strokes off your scores.
Also distance is also swing dependent.
niteowl03
Active member
SCOR is still doing it, and I doubt they are even top 3 in wedges right now
Aussie Dave
Hacker From OZ
I have a set of NOVA constant length irons made by GRIA, they are a sister company to 1 Iron Golf. I was out of the game for 25 years and took golf up again, done all of my research and bought a set of Callaway X Hot's but I was very inconsistant and was getting very frustrated. So I bought a used set of the NOVA constant length irons, just so that every swing I took was the same swing, the 3-5 irons play a fair bit short the 6 and 7 are about right then the 8,9 and PW play a bit longer than normal clubs, as the NOVA's are a 37" Hybrid Iron. This is the link http://www.griagolf.com/home.html . They really sorted out my swing they are very easy to get into the air and very straight, once I was hitting the ball well and consistantly with them I switched back to my Callaway X Hots and have never looked back. My partner then got the golf bug as she could use these clubs and wont part with them, as much as I tell her she should try some conventinal clubs she tells me these clubs are fine.
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No wedges are marketed with distance. It's all about accuracy and spin. There are plenty of things marketed without distance. Think Mizuno markets heavily on distance outside of their cast line?
And no Scor does not even sniff the top 3.
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While that may be the case you are talking about a company with no distribution. Cleveland and Titleist both market their wedges on accuracy and spin and dominate marketshare.
baldguy
Part-Time Sasquatch
yeah I remember you mentioning it the other day on the course and I definitely want to take you up on it. I just wanted to try and gather as much info as possible about the hows and whys. I might also want to order some different shafts to try in them. I think I'd like them all to play at 38.5" with stiff flex, but ordering six or seven 4-iron shafts on the cheap isn't easy. I'm still looking
WardF
#TeamDOTCOM Member
yeah I remember you mentioning it the other day on the course and I definitely want to take you up on it. I just wanted to try and gather as much info as possible about the hows and whys. I might also want to order some different shafts to try in them. I think I'd like them all to play at 38.5" with stiff flex, but ordering six or seven 4-iron shafts on the cheap isn't easy. I'm still looking
they are all 37.5 and stiff now which would be +1 over standard from 1iron--the original set I had were 36.5 and fit me fine.
baldguy
Part-Time Sasquatch
that would make them all the length of my 8 iron and I was hoping to be closer to my 6 iron. I guess I can try them as-is and if you don't mind I can swap shafts if they're too short. I just don't want to sacrifice flex for length. that's why I wanted to get stiff flex shafts in the right length to begin with. Basically... I want to tinker with stuff that isn't mine
Aussie Dave
Hacker From OZ
that would make them all the length of my 8 iron and I was hoping to be closer to my 6 iron. I guess I can try them as-is and if you don't mind I can swap shafts if they're too short. I just don't want to sacrifice flex for length. that's why I wanted to get stiff flex shafts in the right length to begin with. Basically... I want to tinker with stuff that isn't mine
The ideal length will depend on your wrist to floor measurment someone that is 6'4" with long arms might have the same length clubs as someone 5'8" with short arms. I would swing them on a lie board and find out where they are hitting if it is more to the toe of the club I would think about lengthening them more to the heal shorten them, if it is around the middle just leave them. Im not sure but I think for every 1/8" off centre is 1* lie angle or 1/2" of shaft.
chasd3
Banned
that would make them all the length of my 8 iron and I was hoping to be closer to my 6 iron. I guess I can try them as-is and if you don't mind I can swap shafts if they're too short. I just don't want to sacrifice flex for length. that's why I wanted to get stiff flex shafts in the right length to begin with. Basically... I want to tinker with stuff that isn't mine
Not sure you would like your scoring clubs the length of a 6 iron. This is the problem I have with this concept. The shorter length long iron concept is good but adding 2 inches to wedges does not sound like a good idea.