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I did. I think we should remove the ability to play the shot. Streamline all 3 penalties into one.
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I did. I think we should remove the ability to play the shot. Streamline all 3 penalties into one.
I think it was @Canadan that mentioned an adjustment I would be ok with . 2 strokes and drop no closer to the hole. So it is a stiff penalty, but your not going back to the tee.
I don't study the rules of golf and in a casual/regular round with my buddies we all just agree on what to do in certain situations, fast forward to a tournament/event round, "irregular", and it makes it hard to remember exactly what to do in certain situations, especially when everyone might disagree on exactly how the rules is applied or what steps you need to complete for the drop.I don't get this. First, what's confusing now? Second, what's an irregular round of golf?
The hazards are on the course property/part of the course. Out of bounds is off the boundary of the course, whether its in right-of-way or adjoining property owner or just deemed "not part of the golf course" by the course.other than "that's just the rule" I've yet to hear a valid reason that water is played differently than ob. to me it's asinine that we have yellow, white and red stakes. what is the rational for this? just change the rule so every ball in a hazard is played the exact same way, and structure it in a way to maintain a reasonable pace of play. I say everything should be played like a red take, but remove the ability to hit it if you can find it. drop on the line it entered the hazard. done.
Not always true, some courses use OB to protect adjoining fairways/greens.The hazards are on the course property/part of the course. Out of bounds is off the boundary of the course, whether its in right-of-way or adjoining property owner or just deemed "not part of the golf course" by the course.
Yellow, white, and red stakes, lines painted on the ground, the goat tracks I play seldom have any of these. Yes I agree everything should be played like a red stake....if I can find a red stake.other than "that's just the rule" I've yet to hear a valid reason that water is played differently than ob. to me it's asinine that we have yellow, white and red stakes. what is the rational for this? just change the rule so every ball in a hazard is played the exact same way, and structure it in a way to maintain a reasonable pace of play. I say everything should be played like a red take, but remove the ability to hit it if you can find it. drop on the line it entered the hazard. done.
I'm with you on this, but everyone probably already knew that from Episode 10 of the Off Course podcast .My thoughts:
- hazard rule: play out if you can. If you cannot, stroke penalty. Drop as per current rules - drop along path of ball.
- oob: no playing put of OoB. Take 1 stroke and drop along lines of hazard rules.
Done.
Nothing more needed.
The rule is irrational. The bottom of a pond is also off any playable property, and can be unsafe. The two situations should be treated equally. One penalty for one bad swing, not two penalties.The rule should stay. OB us usually an off property line or, in some cases, necessary for safety concerns. Bottom line, courses have boundaries and they should be (are) enforced with OB lines.
Two strokes for a lost ball makes much more sense than two penalties for OB, which makes no sense. If the ball is lost, you can drop it in a place more advantageous than wherever the ball actually is. That warrants the two strokes. Treating OB worse than hitting the ball into the bottom of a pond is illogical and unfairly punitive.As a guy who finds more white stakes than most I consider myself an expert on this subject matter.
I say the rule is fine as it is. Casual golfers don't follow the proper rules anyway and just throw a ball down where it went out. When your ball leaves the property of the golf course I believe you should be penalized heavier than if you simply find a creek next to the fairway.
However, a few things I'd like to add:
1) Internal OB needs to be outlawed. So stupid.
2) If we are going to change any rules, I'd first like to change the current "lost ball in play" rule. Stroke and Distance penalty is way too harsh for a disappearing golf ball, especially when all these podunk half-ass lean budget golf courses don't even bother to mark their 5 ft tall fescue grass as a penalty area. Hitting a massive block slice bananarama into Aunt Rhonda's backyard is a terrible shot and I deserve everything I get. Hitting a solid 6i that just barely misses the fairway and somehow disappears off the face of the earth is not a bad shot, and should not be punished equally.
The local rule allowing a drop in the fairway is still a two-stroke penalty.I really like the OB rule on tour. Makes those boys a bit more nervous, doesn't negatively impact me at all while watching at home.
There is a local rule that can be applied using the USGA rules that allows for a drop rather than a re-tee that I don't mind being implemented - We have it in place at my course. But, two strokes is what it should cost, for sure. OB is OB.
If the ball is over the red line, but in the grass and you can still hit it, you have that option with no penalty. The red line shows the place you measure your drop from if you do have to take a drop.What if they cut the grass next to a pond and repaint the red line a couple inches lower down the bank? Now the shot I had to take a penalty for being an inch over the line yesterday is an inch inside the line today.