Hamfist
I promise not to murder Canadan.
is the GOAT.
There, I said it.
There, I said it.
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Yep. Michael Jordan is already losing stature and GOAT to LeBron (although LeBron didn't do himself any favors by going to the Lakers).
It is very difficult to compare players from different eras in just about every sport. In golf, the competition was different, they played different courses, the equipment was different. Instead of a GOAT why not just leave it that Bobby Jones was the greatest of his era, Jack his and Tiger his.
Although I hold Jack in the highest regard I consider Tiger the goat. His impact on all facets of the game from gear, clothing, purses, tv and on and on. Then throw in the 81 wins and 15 majors and the way he decimated the fields he played against. So many what if's as well. One can only imagine what his total would be without the injuries and personal turmoil over his career.
The argument will always teeter between values. What a person values most in this conversation carries the weight. Majors? Wins? Impact on golf? Eye of the beholder.
I'll pose another question. If Tiger ties Jack in majors, is he the undisputed since he would have more tour wins?
Never ending story.People would just bring up how many 2nd place finishes Nicklaus had in the majors.
It is very difficult to compare players from different eras in just about every sport. In golf, the competition was different, they played different courses, the equipment was different. Instead of a GOAT why not just leave it that Bobby Jones was the greatest of his era, Jack his and Tiger his.
One thing that is indisputable. Tiger is the best iron player in the history of golf. No one has ever been better on approach than him. That was the real killer back in the day, the relentlessness of him having 15-20 footers for birdie on every hole. He still does it today if he is in the fairway, his driver just isn't as sharp as it used to be anymore. Boy when it's on like it was this week though, those darts start dropping over and over and over again on approach.
The argument will always teeter between values. What a person values most in this conversation carries the weight. Majors? Wins? Impact on golf? Eye of the beholder.
I'll pose another question. If Tiger ties Jack in majors, is he the undisputed since he would have more tour wins?
Goats don't live forever, wiki says expectancy is between 15 and 18 years. Milk them while you can.
Wood is good fiber. I mean WOODS! Darnit, get those goats separated.
That was one of the things Jack said during his interview on Golf Channel last night. Nobody comes close.One thing that is indisputable. Tiger is the best iron player in the history of golf.
Agreed. But I think for many, if he gets to 19, it still wouldn't be enough.You want to know who values majors as the deciding factor? Tiger.
Kind of puts a twist on a few posts in a few different threads here : )
Agreed. But I think for many, if he gets to 19, it still wouldn't be enough.
I'd agree whole heartedly and I think a lot of that is just the nature of the short term memory of fandom and as well as general bias. The optics are often more persuasive than the stat sheet and yet even the stat sheet doesn't tell the full story. That's the case in every "G.O.A.T." discussion. There will always be perceived bias and staunch debaters on both sides, which makes the title somewhat of a phantom target in most cases. I typically like to say, "Tiger is the IMO, but I was a bit dogmatic after yesterday's pandemonium.Probably right. Just as many that obviously disagree with Tiger and say he is now. I mean some of the posts in these threads are hysterical. You want to really laugh? Go back and read the Tiger vs Phil The Match thread. Those predictions were funny too. What happens is that for a decade fanatics have had this pent up aggression and all of the sudden, anything even remotely contrary to their case, is just hatred. Its a defense mechanism I will never understand, but when you watch from the outside, it's so odd.
The same can be said for Tom Brady right?
Jordan is often viewed as the greatest, but his championships don't hold a candle to Bill Russell.
Fans love their generation. And I say that as someone that is clearly not a fan of Jack Nicklaus.