Yea Rory’s had a rough multi-win year. I wonder when he’ll end his one month losing streak.
Gerry Hogan's Theories On The Golf Swing vs Other
- Status
Arlo
Active member
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2021
- Messages
- 595
- Reaction score
- 140
Sadly, last major win, 2014;
When is the last time Rory McIlroy won a major championship?
Rory McIlroy has 18 PGA Tour wins and 4 major championship wins, and it's been a long time since he won a major. When was his last PGA Tour or major win?
thegolfnewsnet.com
- Admin
- #528
One's life completely changes from sponsorship, to family life and that is the example that working out is bad, yet someone doesn't have those changes, works out and gets better and its ignored.
Yup, that's par for the course.
Arlo
Active member
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2021
- Messages
- 595
- Reaction score
- 140
Lets be clear. TPI's video was an attempt to justify, Rory.. HEAVY LIFTING (Weights), not working out. There is a distinction.
GOAT, Jack Nicklaus managed a growing family(5 kids), course and golf club design, other sponsorships, brand names and winning more Majors than anyone else.
Yes there is only one, GOAT, but obviously Jack proved family, sponsorship and
philanthropy can enhance life and career. Jack did it all without , HEAVY WEIGHT LIFTING and no one had a more successful, long career. Hip surgery came in his reitrement years.
Wait, are we in the "don't get strong" part of the broadcast?
Arlo
Active member
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2021
- Messages
- 595
- Reaction score
- 140
Rory deadlifts 300 pounds + and it becomes = "dont work out"," dont get strong".
Is it any wonder in his DVD, Gerry said, of golf instruction;
"Confusion... difference of opinion on a massive scale and ever increasing confusion"
Nope. The discussion has shifted to GOAT. No wait... it's back on Gerry. Whew, that was close! For minute there I thought the thread was going off the rails.
Arlo
Active member
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2021
- Messages
- 595
- Reaction score
- 140
You failed again.. still learning. Its about parenthood and sponsorship, dont you know.
Luchnia
You will never conquer golf.
Yep, and Kyle always comes to mind when thinking about building up. He and Bryson spent quite a bit of time "bulking up" and the evidence is obvious. It is amazing how folks will discount the lower body, especially the legs, and yet when you see Kyle, or Bryson, in action it is obvious where so much of their power comes from.
No doubt, Lynn Scott, Milo Lines, and a number others have proved just how instrumental the ground is in the golf swing. Ben Hogan used the ground before all the devices for measurement for evidence were available.
Do you have to have the ground to swing, no, and some can swing very fast without the ground. Can the ground be used to improve the swing for the majority of golfers, yes. Amazing how we have all these "levers" and yet the legs are our connection to the ground.
Arlo
Active member
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2021
- Messages
- 595
- Reaction score
- 140
F=ma is true, but it doesnt mean a fat golfer is going to have more force on the golf ball than a golfer weighing less. LOL
It means the more mass in the clubhead with equal or more acceleration will be exerting more force on the ball.
More mass in the arms will increase momentum : p=mv
Assuming the drop into the slot due to gravity is the same for everyone, the golfer with more mass in their arms(Bryson) will have more momentum that can translate into more angular velocity, during the kinematic sequence.
Power originating from the lower body is not part of Gerry Hogan's instruction( this thread). Mr Hogan points out that in order for the power of the golf swing to be generated from the lower body,that power would have to be transmitted (mechanics of of power transmission) through the pelvic basin and lower lumbar, which is not possible.
Mechanical power transmission involves using different types of systems to transfer energy from one component to another without changing its nature. When motion coming from a driving mechanical component is transferred to another without being changed, there is power transmission.
If you wish to espouse power in golf swing originating in lower body, bulking up, heavy lifting, taking supplements, parenthood suggest you do so in other threads.
It's not amazing, it just shows how wrong Gerry Hogan was about so many things. While some of his book might have a little truth to it - as is true with virtually every other instructional book ever written, he's not going help the average golfer. IMO, that's been proven in this thread with an abundance of factual data.
Arlo
Active member
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2021
- Messages
- 595
- Reaction score
- 140
No wonder, Rory couldnt resist the sales pitch from Blu and TPI. "hear me now, believe this later"300 pounds +
@Arlo - It's just very interesting how you classify a successful golf swing. You have to win majors in order to be proven to have a great golf swing? The correlation you try to draw by examples is so strange. Yea, it's true Rory has gotten worse since 2014, but so what? He's still INCREDIBLY successful in his profession at golf. Using him as an example of what not to do seems VERY strange to me. He's a literal millionaire because he can swing a golf club well, there is no way to say he's not successful in his profession which is golf. Anyone on this forum would trade their golf swing for his.
Arlo
Active member
- Joined
- Aug 12, 2021
- Messages
- 595
- Reaction score
- 140
Yea, it's true Rory has gotten worse since 2014, but so what? He's still INCREDIBLY successful in his profession at golf.
By American standards money trumps everything, baby!
No one cares whether he has a good golf swing anymore. He has NIke sponsorship and money money money.
Sounds you should be visiting the Forbes 500 forum. This one is for those who have appreciation of golf, not sponsorships
and money, money money! or m$ybe not?
- Admin
- #543
Using Rory as an example of not having a great golf swing is as laughable as saying that working out is the root of the cause, considering how much has changed and there is a direct correlation in working out and another top players success. Its become par for the course though...
A quick Google search found this...
PGA Tour Training: How 7 Pro Golfers Train in the Gym to Stay Strong (mensjournal.com)
The one common focus with each? They work on lower body strengthening. I'd put money on the probability that every other PGA pro who works out does this as well. Strength training does not always equate to bulking up.
Where is that section in Gerry Hogan's book?
Don't lump me in with TPI.
Maybe someone can explain this - Carlos Ortiz, Abraham Ancer and Newman weigh between 145 lbs - 155 lbs and their average drive is over 300 yards. About 20 yards less than DeChambeaus average drive. Bryson weighs approx. 80 lbs more than them. They must have some special leg power. Just think - if a 150 lb player can average 2 yards per lb of body weight then how much farther should a much bigger and obviously stronger 235 pound De Chambeau average per yard ?
weight
This post doesn’t even make sense. Money in this instance is a direct reflection of success. Rory is still winning and putting up good success against some of the best in the world. It’s still an awful example to illustrate a bad swing. How was this spun into some anti American money thing? Like what lol…
- Admin
- #548
Last year on the PGA Tour for a full Season.
Bryson 323.7 yards.
Ancer 290.4
Im no match genius, but that seems like more than 20 yards. I haven't looked up the others, but at first glance, that says something different than the narrative.
Now, if you want to go apples to apples, take technique out of the equation and look at BAD driving before the working out began and after and see if anything changed in distance and speed. Seems to me, it is a pretty black and white answer of what worked for him. Hell, literally right now I am with the two people that created his clubs from Cobra, we can just ask them during tomorrow's live stream.
These black and white statements are just so far from reality in some of this stuff.
This is a prime example of folks not admitting they're wrong about the sole source of golf instruction they so devoutly believe in.
In this case, Gerry Hogan's information is flawed. Period. It's based on old beliefs, not science. I'm so appreciative that some here took the time to look into the credibility of it and prove with science that it's next to worthless for most golfers.
There are hundreds of other golf instruction books just as valueless that try to incapsulate the secret of the golf swing into one single method. That simply cannot be done.
Those who have undying faith in it as a complete guide to the golf swing, obviously have questionable judgement given the exposure to the many flaws proven here in this thread. If nothing else, this continues to be a fantastic source of entertainment and it supports my opinion that those who brag the most about knowledge are usually as wrong as they are closed-minded.
Please, carry on!
In this case, Gerry Hogan's information is flawed. Period. It's based on old beliefs, not science. I'm so appreciative that some here took the time to look into the credibility of it and prove with science that it's next to worthless for most golfers.
There are hundreds of other golf instruction books just as valueless that try to incapsulate the secret of the golf swing into one single method. That simply cannot be done.
Those who have undying faith in it as a complete guide to the golf swing, obviously have questionable judgement given the exposure to the many flaws proven here in this thread. If nothing else, this continues to be a fantastic source of entertainment and it supports my opinion that those who brag the most about knowledge are usually as wrong as they are closed-minded.
Please, carry on!
- Status