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The answer lies in our use of numbers. The fact that you stated that "Traditionally, a set is comprised of 4-PW" speaks to part of the problem and part of the Answer and disagreements.To me, it is just a number on the bottom of the club. The scorecard doesn't care what club you used on any particular approach shot.
As we all know, every OEM is offering a set(s) with strong lofts. Nothing wrong with that, it is simply the evolution of equipment manufacturing. However, what does this mean for set composition? Traditionally, a set is comprised of 4-PW, but is that a "valid" composition given the stronger lofts?
Some set compositions may have to change going forward. For example, some 5-irons are now 20º-21º. That is a difficult loft for an amateur to hit (used to be a 3-iron). I know more than a few people with this kind of 5-iron and they struggle with it. So where should a set of irons start? 6-iron? 7-iron? How many wedges will one have to carry? Four? Five? PW, AW, GW, SW, and LW.
Even with the technology built in to help get the ball airborne, many amateurs struggle with these "mid-irons".
On another note, asking someone what he hit is almost useless today. For example, the person might say, "I hit a 5-iron," though his 5 is 28º. The guy who asked the question may say, "I hit a 7-iron," which is 27º.
Yes, pretty certain the lofts are correct.That's a odd separation on your current setup, 4° then 5° on the next step. Is the number progression synchronous?
Luckily there are plenty of options in that range if that is what you prefer!
I’ll bite a little bit haha.
for me I don’t care about lofts one terms of what the bottom of the iron says and what it’s lofted at.
now with my basic understanding of tech, I know companies are having to strengthen lofts to help keep launch characteristics in check and make the newer helpful irons playable.
my thing is that, there is a too far point. Maybe not for all, but certainly for players like me and even players who swing slower than me, there is a point where we just cannot get clubs with certain lofts to launch and be playable no matter the tech (usually a combination of speed and club delivery of course). I’ve attempted a ton of newer irons that have launch helping tech and what not in the long irons becauseI just never have been a fan of hybrids. Buttt with lofts getting stronger and my delivery, I really struggle launching/elevating clubs once they get lower loft than around 24* whether that’s a 3 iron or some new 7 irons (just naming a club. Not sure if anyone has gone that strong?).
I hit them well. They go straight and everything, but they don’t launch or peak high enough to carry good gapping with the rest of my set. They typically end up getting too much roll distance. Stronger lofts, lower spin and I’m still not getting launch so now I am forced and have learned to hit hybrids and I enjoy them now.
so long winded haha but again, I don’t mind stronger lofts. I get there is a reason for them. I just think that for most golfers out there, there is a too far in“loft jacking”. For high speed players probably not a thing and it’s perfect for themto use as a driving iron or more friendly long iron replacement as hybrids tend to spin more or go too high for them.
Hybrids tend to spin more?
apologies. Worded it wronG I guess after looking at it.
for the high speed swinger it seems (from what I read and notice on the course) they complain of hybrids launching too high and getting that spinny ballooning due to the tech. While the equivalent iron at the same loft launch better for them.
Does anyone else playing Gi's carry 5 wedges with these lofts. With my AP1 710s I have the P and W and need a 52 56 and 60 to avoid any major gaps.
Does anyone else playing Gi's carry 5 wedges with these lofts. With my AP1 710s I have the P and W and need a 52 56 and 60 to avoid any major gaps.
I'm about the same swing speed (105-110) but pretty new to golf and definitely not able to hit anything past my 5 iron consistently. 5-7 iron is a 50/50 chance of going anywhere near the target for me as is.We will be seeing a lot more golfers carrying 5 or more wedges. Our head pro is on Callaway staff and he just ordered a set of Epic Forged irons and will now carry 6 wedges. Others like me will stay with weaker lofts on the short irons and stick with four wedges(46,51,56, 60) and carry two 6 irons(Epic Forged & Z565) and an Epic 4 iron. I will say that my 105ish driver swing speed is close to the lower limit of what's needed to launch an 18* Epic Forged 4 iron off a tight fairway lie.
I will say that my 105ish driver swing speed is close to the lower limit of what's needed to launch an 18* Epic Forged 4 iron off a tight fairway lie.
Im not sure how many fittings you have witnessed but that is a pretty absolute statement and thisis coming from someone that is currently playing with those irons.
Shaft can make a difference for sure but I'm a high ball hitter and my 18* Epic Forged 4 iron is certainly lower launching than the other seven 18-19* driving irons that I own from Mizuno, Titleist, Srixon, Callaway, Adams, Ping, and Taylormade. For me, the EF 4 iron is certainly harder to launch than my 8* Epic SZ driver with Rogue Silver 70 I/O or my 12.5* Callaway X2 Hot 2Deep. Just my observations, your mileage may vary, of course.
So in other words, the design of the club is playing a larger role in spin, launch and speed than the stated loft?