Making a Murderer 2
I was happy they played the oral arguments, showing viewers what they are like. Night Rider (I like that) is quite good, but she did lose her composure a touch in the en banc hearing. But that is VERY easy to do when you walk straight into a buzz saw. I'm sure she knew going in that the majority was against her, and that's tough to overcome, especially when you get lambasted by 4 different judges right out of the gates. The writing was on the wall fairly early in the hearing, if not beforehand.
that en banc hearing (or what they played of it) seemed like a farce. the questions and tone of the various judges made it crystal clear on what side of the issue each was falling regardless of the answers provided. the questions asked by the judges were phrased in a way that the answer was obvious. and often the judges didn't seem to care what answer was being given to their questions, they just wanted to ask the question to get it on record.
the most frustrating exchange was when the white male judge asked night rider what she would propose as a change in the law. she answered (despite his constant interruptions and grandstanding). then the white female judge berated night rider for trying to create new law, which isn't the purpose of the hearing and how can you be so stupid to not know that?! she just answered the dude's question ffs.
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Dassey's team was great, up until she had to argue in front of the judges. The most glaring mistake (and I know this is Monday morning QBing) is when the judge asked if the cops needed two murderers. All she had to say is that they didn't need two, but they wanted to get Avery. I think Zellner is doing a great job and leaving no stone un-turned.
The whole ordeal is so frustrating because it seems like the system is setup to protect itself more than it is to protect the citizenry or provide fair trials. Since season one I've always thought that Bobby Dassey should've been the prime suspect, but the police wanted Avery so bad they didn't look at anyone else really. I think the publicity in this case has actually hurt Dassey and Avery. The judges don't want to look bad and it is much easier to keep innocent people in jail than it is to allow potentially guilty people to go free. They will always err on the side of caution. Personally, I think it is far more egregious to lock up the innocent than it is to free the guilty.
The whole ordeal is so frustrating because it seems like the system is setup to protect itself more than it is to protect the citizenry or provide fair trials. Since season one I've always thought that Bobby Dassey should've been the prime suspect, but the police wanted Avery so bad they didn't look at anyone else really. I think the publicity in this case has actually hurt Dassey and Avery. The judges don't want to look bad and it is much easier to keep innocent people in jail than it is to allow potentially guilty people to go free. They will always err on the side of caution. Personally, I think it is far more egregious to lock up the innocent than it is to free the guilty.
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My wife and I actually paused for a good 15 min and vented to one another about that part. There were zero unbias decisions made in the courtroom that day.
The judges had already read the written briefs. It's not necessarily bias, but rather they have already made up their mind based on those briefs, which is how most issues are actually decided. You're right though, oral argument was pointless because each judge effectively revealed which way they were voting and didn't seem to budge at all.
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Ken Kratz is the one who should be in prison. What a slime ball
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I agree about Bobby. I really believe he did it. The LE gave him s cakewalk because they had a hard on for Avery
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I forgot how much I thought Bobby was either responsible or, at the very least, in on it. Why lie to burn your uncle if not to cover your own a$$?
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At the very least shouldn’t they have prosecuted him for child porn or something that they found on that computer? That could be how they flipped him, but you’ve got to think he was involved because of some of the other stuff on the computer that was swept under the rug.
That was my thought too! I'm pretty sure child porn can be a federal crime as well, and there may be no statute of limitations, so he may still be screwed if the feds get interested.
The images he searched/viewed are so incredibly disturbing.
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Well Netflix is now being sued by Coburn for defamation
https://www.yahoo.com/news/making-murderer-makers-being-sued-111200614.html
Netflix and the documentarians behind Making A Murderer are being sued for defamation.
On Monday (December 17), former Manitowoc County police sergeant Andrew Colburn filed a suit against the streaming service, as well as filmmakers Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos, at the Manitowoc County circuit court.
He is claiming that the true crime series wrongfully accused him of framing Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey for Teresa Halbach’s murder, by suggesting he planted key evidence at the Avery salvage yard.
“Neither plaintiff nor any other law enforcement officer planted evidence or in any other way attempted to frame Avery or Dassey for Halbach’s murder,” the lawsuit states, according to The Wrap.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/making-murderer-makers-being-sued-111200614.html
Netflix and the documentarians behind Making A Murderer are being sued for defamation.
On Monday (December 17), former Manitowoc County police sergeant Andrew Colburn filed a suit against the streaming service, as well as filmmakers Laura Ricciardi and Moira Demos, at the Manitowoc County circuit court.
He is claiming that the true crime series wrongfully accused him of framing Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey for Teresa Halbach’s murder, by suggesting he planted key evidence at the Avery salvage yard.
“Neither plaintiff nor any other law enforcement officer planted evidence or in any other way attempted to frame Avery or Dassey for Halbach’s murder,” the lawsuit states, according to The Wrap.
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Will be interesting to see where that goes. As we have seen during the series, anything can happen in the Manitowoc County judicial system.
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I read that this morning, was kind of surprised it took this long for such a suit.
i read it last night and wondered the same thing. i have to think with something like this, where it blew up SO BIG, netflix would have a team of attorneys going back through everything to make sure they were somewhat insulated from any exposure.
if we were just talking about s1, i don't think he would have much chance. but s2 had a lot more conspiracy theories.
i honestly don't think anything comes of this.
Don't see that going anywhere. His call into dispatch reading Theresa's plates two days before the car was "found" was perhaps the most suspicious piece of evidence in the entire case. People are free to draw their own conclusions from that fact.
DonJuan
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Nah. Dassey's first attorneys were very careful not to directly implicate police. They were afraid of it. Dassey's new attorney has no such reservations, which is a good thing.
Any lawsuit filed by the police is incredibly risky I would imagine. If a judge rules in favor of the defense in that lawsuit -- meaning what the series said was true -- that could blow the whole thing up.
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That's one of the first things that started to unravel the West Memphis three. Suing someone and getting deposed.
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As a former leo, that really isn't suspicious at all.
If a coworker gave me a tag to look for, like for a missing person, the first thing I am doing is running it to make sure it is right.
I'm going from memory here, but he didn't claim to be with the car right, just ran the tag?
He definitely didn't admit to being in front of the car; that would have been unequivocal evidence of a plant job.
It's been awhile since I watched S1, but what I recall was that the way the convo went left the viewer believing he was looking at the car. I know the documentary is biased, but I do recall feeling like that convo was compelling.
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Did anything come of the pron found on Bobby's computer? Isn't that like.. super illegal with the whole minor stuff?
The whole thing still stinks to high hell. Tons of holes, nothing concrete, and too much bias.
The whole thing still stinks to high hell. Tons of holes, nothing concrete, and too much bias.
Not that I know of. I seem to recall some explanation, like, "although it's the computer Bobby uses, the family had access to it, so they wouldn't be able to prove it was him..." Seems more like Manitowoc County just made a deal with him to testify against his uncle.