The 2-Ball is one of the most iconic designs in the history of golf. The Odyssey Eleven has taken the market by storm and continues to be a fan favorite since its launch. Today, the company is launching the Odyssey 2-Ball Eleven and we are going to give one away to a lucky THPer.
Rather than give you all of the details to read over, we have Luke Williams from Odyssey here to go over every aspect of the new launch, the success on tour and what makes the Odyssey 2-Ball Eleven so unique.
After watching that, surely you have a question or two. Now is your chance to win a brand new putter and the details on how to enter are in the video above. Got questions, post them below.
To learn more, check out their website at www.odysseygolf.com.
[QUOTE=”jon12, post: 10722580, member: 18243″]
Question for [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER]
Any particular reason the Eleven isn’t offered in a Crank hosel/Plumbers neck?
Thanks
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Nope, we have a ton of sku’s as it is, we can’t offer every head/hosel combination so we try to have variety and balance through our line.
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723210, member: 41896″]
Yes, those are the most common lengths, we have very few people that we see that need putters shorter than 33″.
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Appreciate the response [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER]! From static fitting tools based off my arm length etc I’ve seen lengths suggested as low as 31” for me so I’ve always been curious about that.
[QUOTE=”russtopher, post: 10722604, member: 14253″]
High MOI in a putter is awesome for someone like me that doesn’t get the opportunity to work on putting as much as I would like. With the weight being moved more forward to help with CG, is there an opportunity to adjust the weighting further to help with either closing the face faster, or vice versa?
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You can adjust the weight of the head, which will have a very subtle effect on cg depth, but you cannot adjust the position of the weights.
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723240, member: 41896″]
Our Stroke Lab shafts all come with weights in the butt, so yes that is part of the design of the Stroke Lab system.
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Well this is a game changer.
[QUOTE=”Just_Brad, post: 10723237, member: 9473″]
Hi [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER]
When looking at neck styles of the Two Ball Eleven, are the extra neck offerings for a players eye preference only, or do the different neck styles play a larger role in aim bias?
Also, how much of a difference do the different necks make in terms of overall weight placement in the head, or is it not enough of a difference to require any other weight movement?
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The different necks have little impact on the overall weight placement of the head, they offer different looks to suit different players eyes and different amounts of toe hang to suit different strokes.
[QUOTE=”blugold, post: 10722697, member: 3249″]
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] Would moveable or changeable weights in progressive mallet allow for even more custom fits for golfers looking to really fine tune their stroke?
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Yes
[QUOTE=”AndyL0711, post: 10722700, member: 51108″]
great video/interview [USER=2320]@Canadan[/USER]
i’m on the site (odyssey) and i love that they give us multiple options on whether we want see the 2 balls or a line or the triple trac or just plain black. me, if i’m buying a 2 ball putter i want to see the 2 balls. it is a great aligner.
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] how do you figure out which shaft best fits your putting swing or style? i know we can just go and hit each (which i do) but is there some kind of scientific method to it?
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The best thing to do is go get fit by a qualified fitter.
[QUOTE=”MattyD-MPLS, post: 10722706, member: 51852″]
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] There have been different colors for the 2balls on top in the past with what Shane Lowry uses, any thought of having a murdered our 11 with black?
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No plans for one.
[QUOTE=”baylrballa, post: 10722712, member: 52381″]
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER]
any trials of different colors on the body of the eleven? lighter grey? or more colorful?
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We try lots of different colors and finishes as we are developing products, but we don’t have any plans to bring any others to market.
[QUOTE=”cm24, post: 10722832, member: 67192″]
Where did the original two ball idea come from? More importantly, was it [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] and was it part of his ruse to get more people into mallets?
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I answered this earlier, but the original concept came from Dave Pelz, we refined and redesigned his non-conforming 3-Ball design and the rest is history.
[QUOTE=”jon12, post: 10722844, member: 18243″]
Hi [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] – any chance the White Hot Steel insert will ever come back? That was an awesome insert.
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Unlikely.
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723267, member: 41896″]
Yes
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Are there any plans to make that a feature on future releases?
[QUOTE=”jon12, post: 10722870, member: 18243″]
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] – Why wasn’t the John Rahm Rossie with no lines and micro hinge never released to the public? I know this isn’t the right time to ask, but it keeps me up at night.
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We did do a limited release of that putter.
[QUOTE=”J4U, post: 10723083, member: 10934″]
Just picked up the 2Ball Ten with stroke lab and love it! It replaced another 2Ball and seemless.
Loving that more people could be drawn into the 2Ball family with this new addition! It’s such a great putter!
My last 2Ball was red, any chance that color comes out again?
What was the idea behind the design of the 2Ball
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There is always a chance! But we don’t have any plans for a red one. And as I’ve said the earlier the original 2-Ball idea came from Dave Pelz.
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723127, member: 41896″]
We have different objectives with different putter models and consider lots of factors. Look and feel are critical obviously for any putter line. As for performance the speed that the ball comes off the face and the consistency of that speed is across the face is a big one as is roll and the consistency of the roll across the face. The more we can do to make off center hits behave more like center hits, as with any golf club design, the more consistent we can make the golfer. We do have to consider all of these things though with every putter line.
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Thanks for the response [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] !
Hi [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER]
Which of the new 2Ball Elevens seems to be the most popular on tour?
With having more options, fitting becomes as important as ever. Are you all seeing increases in fittings to correspond with options?
Also, I literally just ordered the CrankHosel 2Ball Eleven Tour Lined about 30 minutes ago. Of all my putters, I don’t think I’ve ever really gamed a crank hosel mallet (330m would probably be the closest). So thanks for offering that :love: :LOL:
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] I know this isn’t exactly about the eleven, any thoughts on adding the Odyssey brand to the garage or its’ own garage section?
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723252, member: 41896″]
You can adjust the weight of the head, which will have a very subtle effect on cg depth, but you cannot adjust the position of the weights.
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From looking at the bottom, I figured there might be a chance to adjust the toe or heel weight amount to affect face closure. Many thanks for taking the time to respond!
[QUOTE=”xThor, post: 10723369, member: 19092″]
Hi [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER]
Which of the new 2Ball Elevens seems to be the most popular on tour?
With having more options, fitting becomes as important as ever. Are you all seeing increases in fittings to correspond with options?
Also, I literally just ordered the CrankHosel 2Ball Eleven Tour Lined about 30 minutes ago. Of all my putters, I don’t think I’ve ever really gamed a crank hosel mallet (330m would probably be the closest). So thanks for offering that :love: :LOL:
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First of all, I’m glad we could offer something you don’t already have! Early days still on Tour, but the Tour Lined has been the most popular out of the gate. Putter fitting has become more and more popular over the last couple years and that is definitely a trend we see continuing.
[QUOTE=”fuffle master, post: 10723381, member: 47863″]
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] I know this isn’t exactly about the eleven, any thoughts on adding the Odyssey brand to the garage or its’ own garage section?
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We’ve talked about it, but don’t have any immediate plans.
What type of golfer benefits from the two ball alignment compared to other options on the eleven?
Does combining the Two Ball and Triple Track alignment systems enhance the benefits of each? I had an old Two Ball CS that I didn’t get along with and then immediately loved my Ten (and Eleven) Triple Track.
[QUOTE=”xThor, post: 10723369, member: 19092″]
Hi [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER]
Which of the new 2Ball Elevens seems to be the most popular on tour?
With having more options, fitting becomes as important as ever. Are you all seeing increases in fittings to correspond with options?
Also, I literally just ordered the CrankHosel 2Ball Eleven Tour Lined about 30 minutes ago. Of all my putters, I don’t think I’ve ever really gamed a crank hosel mallet (330m would probably be the closest). So thanks for offering that :love: :LOL:
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You don’t have this kind. (CH mallet?!)
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10723433, member: 57192″]
Does combining the Two Ball and Triple Track alignment systems enhance the benefits of each? I had an old Two Ball CS that I didn’t get along with and then immediately loved my Ten (and Eleven) Triple Track.
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I am curious about this as I use the TT as well. Although the tour lined looks ???
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 10723414, member: 62865″]
What type of golfer benefits from the two ball alignment compared to other options on the eleven?
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It just comes down to which one you are better able to align the most consistently. To really know you need to either try for yourself or better yet get fit. It’s hard to generalize.
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10723433, member: 57192″]
Does combining the Two Ball and Triple Track alignment systems enhance the benefits of each? I had an old Two Ball CS that I didn’t get along with and then immediately loved my Ten (and Eleven) Triple Track.
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It can, some people absolutely swear by it, for some it is too much going on, really player dependent.
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] can you share what the inspiration was for the shape of the Eleven? It looks amazing if I am honest.
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] I know you may have explained this in the video with Dan but I’m kind of not knowledgeable about technology and golf equipment. My question simply is how does the CG affect the specific putter. You had indicated that you didn’t want to have the CG too far back in the putter.
Question- When you look at a particular putting stroke does the CG of the putter have a dIfferent effect to cause a different outcome?
Really enjoyed the video and talk. I haven’t taken the plunge into mallets, but this would definitely be at the top of my consideration if I did. I may have to go roll this at PGASS.
Question for [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] – referring to you comments about the eleven in Japan vs. the US, any insight into why it was pushed right away in Japan vs. post tri-hot in the US? Are mallets more prevalent in Japan or some other reason?
Question for Luke – Will these be available with different faces inserts?
Question, any plans for a new 2 ball blade? Can any improvements be figured out to the traditional design?
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723283, member: 41896″]
I answered this earlier, but the original concept came from Dave Pelz, we refined and redesigned his non-conforming 3-Ball design and the rest is history.
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Thank you!!! Keep up the good work!!
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] Thank you for dropping the knowledge for us internet golfers!
You spoke of moving the CG closer to face in the 2-Ball Eleven how much closer/different is the CG than the 2-Ball Ten and what difference in feel/feedback would you expect in an Eleven to Ten comparison?
[QUOTE=”sheepdawg, post: 10723628, member: 70236″]
Question, any plans for a new 2 ball blade? Can any improvements be figured out to the traditional design?
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He said earlier that there’s always a chance!
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723154, member: 41896″]
There’s always a chance!
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[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10723661, member: 57192″]
He said earlier that there’s always a chance!
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[QUOTE=”hadi05, post: 10723473, member: 50784″]
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] can you share what the inspiration was for the shape of the Eleven? It looks amazing if I am honest.
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We were just looking for a new progressive mallet shape, wanted something a little more angular with inspiration from the overall outer profile of the Seven. Went through lots of concepts and iterations before settling on the final shape.
[QUOTE=”Bernoulli, post: 10723480, member: 42734″]
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] I know you may have explained this in the video with Dan but I’m kind of not knowledgeable about technology and golf equipment. My question simply is how does the CG affect the specific putter. You had indicated that you didn’t want to have the CG too far back in the putter.
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In larger high MOI mallets the tendency is for the cg to get too far back from the face, in pursuit of inertia. The result, for some, can be a tendency to leave the face open at impact. With this design we were able to maintain extremely high MOI (over 5000 Izz) while keeping the cg closer to the face to make it easier, for most, to square up at impact.
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723728, member: 41896″]
We were just looking for a new progressive mallet shape, wanted something a little more angular with inspiration from the overall outer profile of the Seven. Went through lots of concepts and iterations before settling on the final shape.
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I do like this iteration. It looks really nice. Kudos you all on that! I like the look of the black too. It’s eye catching, but not distracting.
[QUOTE=”MarMill, post: 10723516, member: 51186″]
Question- When you look at a particular putting stroke does the CG of the putter have a dIfferent effect to cause a different outcome?
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It absolutely can.
[QUOTE=”mson, post: 10723574, member: 66070″]
Really enjoyed the video and talk. I haven’t taken the plunge into mallets, but this would definitely be at the top of my consideration if I did. I may have to go roll this at PGASS.
Question for [USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] – referring to you comments about the eleven in Japan vs. the US, any insight into why it was pushed right away in Japan vs. post tri-hot in the US? Are mallets more prevalent in Japan or some other reason?
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We just wanted to get Tri-Hot off to a strong start on the PGA Tour, that is really it. In Japan the Tour season starts later and both had been in the market for awhile already so we were promoting them more equally out of the gate and they both have done really well for us.
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723739, member: 41896″]
In larger high MOI mallets the tendency is for the cg to get too far back from the face, in pursuit of inertia. The result, for some, can be a tendency to leave the face open at impact. With this design we were able to maintain extremely high MOI (over 5000 Izz) while keeping the cg closer to the face to make it easier, for most, to square up at impact.
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With this design we were able to maintain extremely high MOI (over 5000 Izz) ????
I bet that was fun playing with the weighting to bring the CG forward! This high MOI is going to give you great forgiveness across the face of the putter for distance control! The face balance will definitely help keep the ball on it’s intended target line. Win Win!
[QUOTE=”ericm007, post: 10723613, member: 18661″]
Question for Luke – Will these be available with different faces inserts?
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Nope, White Hot only.
Apologies if I missed it in the video, but what’s the SRP on these?
Had the Triple Wide as well. Didn’t work out. I’ve been hounding you guys for a 2Ball Toulon for a while. This looks like the next best option. Just saw them on the range at LPGA this week. My question, is there any chance that interchangeable hosels may be something in the future? For those of us that like to tinker.
[QUOTE=”ccjimmy2001, post: 10723882, member: 60318″]
Apologies if I missed it in the video, but what’s the SRP on these?
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$299.99 same as the Elevens.
[QUOTE=”chpar4, post: 10723899, member: 16520″]
Had the Triple Wide as well. Didn’t work out. I’ve been hounding you guys for a 2Ball Toulon for a while. This looks like the next best option. Just saw them on the range at LPGA this week. My question, is there any chance that interchangeable hosels may be something in the future? For those of us that like to tinker.
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There is always a chance Chuck, but we don’t have anything planned in the foreseeable future.
[USER=41896]@Luke WilliamsCG[/USER] I’ve been leaning blade (currently Austin in the bag) for years. but I bought and occasionally game a Triple Track 2-ball blade. If I love blades and typically like plumbers necks, which 2-ball Eleven would you recommend? And do you think golfers who are gaming the wrong length of putter usually go too long or too short?
By the way, great video, Luke and Dan!!
What benefit, if any, might there be over the Tri-Hot 5K line? I played a 2Ball for many years, then a V-Line and most recently settled into the Triple Wide. I can’t imagine that the 2Ball Eleven is much better on slight mid hits than the TW. It is so good.
[QUOTE=”Luke WilliamsCG, post: 10723757, member: 41896″]
Nope, White Hot only.
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Is this just because forecasted sales are much higher with White Hot? Love everything about the sound of these but in limited time trying it I did not get along with White Hot. Could just need a little more playing around with it though.