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I wonder if this problem is exacerbated at country clubs where people feel entitled, because they paid a membership due, to do whatever they please.
Not exactly what goes on at country clubs.
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I wonder if this problem is exacerbated at country clubs where people feel entitled, because they paid a membership due, to do whatever they please.
Not exactly what goes on at country clubs.
Spacing out tee times helps, but it still only takes one group of idiots to slow up everyone behind them.
This is quite true freddie, I usually pull a club while pushing my cart as I'm walking up to my ball as my guess club, I'm usually about 80% correct on what I pull, it saves me a ton, and if the rest of my group played similar ready golf it could get us moving even that much faster.I think if people played ready golf instead of waiting and trying to decide on shots, it would speed up play. Most aren't prepared to hit their shots when they reach their ball
Not exactly what goes on at country clubs.
I have never been to a private CC before, so could only guess*. My now retired boss is a member of one, and I have heard from other members that no one wants to play with him because he is beyond slow. It might not be from an entitled point of view, but from what I've heard he goes beyond methodical. It's why, even though I am dying to get on that course, I find an excuse to not play with him there when he asks. I guess I could just suck it up and play once with him ... just hope I don't kill one of us if the round goes as horribly as others have described to me.I would agree. At most every country club I have been fortunate enough to play at the rounds are MUCH faster than public courses. Might not be true everywhere, but at the half dozen or so I have played at, that has been the case.
Two things that we can't manufacture more of ... time and space. There are only so many hours in a day, and a golf course is only so big. If a course really wants to maximize profits, it's in their interest to get as many golfers on the course as possible. That means they need golfers to play at a decent pace so they don't have a logjam which will create dissatisfaction and could hurt future "sales". At some point golfers must start realizing they need to hurry it up.
I wonder if this problem is exacerbated at country clubs where people feel entitled, because they paid a membership due, to do whatever they please.
I have never been to a private CC before, so could only guess*. My now retired boss is a member of one, and I have heard from other members that no one wants to play with him because he is beyond slow. It might not be from an entitled point of view, but from what I've heard he goes beyond methodical. It's why, even though I am dying to get on that course, I find an excuse to not play with him there when he asks. I guess I could just suck it up and play once with him ... just hope I don't kill one of us if the round goes as horribly as others have described to me.
*I take that back, I played Orangeburg CC back in October 2013, but it wasn't particularly crowded and we played around a 4 hour round and didn't see any issues.
I have enough things on my mind without worrying about the time it is taking to play a round. I would not want to feel rushed.
I think part of the problem is how the tees are presented. If instead of Gold, Red, White, Blue, Black, whatever they were based on player level (Level 1 is up front, Level 2 is a bit further back, etc.), and you can graduate from one level to the next based on your play, that might get everyone thinking properly about it.
I know of one course in my area that offers 5 different tees. On the first tee box they have a sign recommending which set you play based solely on handicap. They don't enforce it, but it's just a simple recommendation.
I understand this process, but do you worry at all about the people that are behind you? Taking time during a round is fine, but what happens when the foursomes are backing up and playing slower because one group does not want to feel rushed?
I know of one course in my area that offers 5 different tees. On the first tee box they have a sign recommending which set you play based solely on handicap. They don't enforce it, but it's just a simple recommendation.
Hi JB,
Of course I do. And if I see people behind me waiting I'll pick up the pace. So far both rounds I have played have been completed in less time than the course shows for pace of play. What if the group behind me is just playing fast? Is that my fault? Play according to the pace of play for the course, or better.
I guess it is about being considerate. Some people are. Some people are not. I was playing by myself, and I come up to a hole and two guys walk right past me. This wasn't the group playing in front of me, so I wasn't sure where they were coming from. Turns out they just tee'd off on the hole I was walking up to. How hard would it have been to wait for me to tee off, and then we could play together? And they sucked. So I am a single waiting every shot for them. I am putting two holes later and they are teeing off. I have the wife ask them to wait while I putt. What is there answer? No, we are almost done. It was the 5th hole.
I don't know what the answer is, but if I get held up behind a slow group am I supposed to pay more too?
Interesting. I agree about the entire "considerate" thing, but wouldnt it also be considerate to let the faster players play through? Or should it be because the course sets a "designated" pace, and you are on or under it, playing through is not an option?
Pace in my opinion means very little in the grand scheme of things, unless a course is properly spaced and only has 4somes going out. What if after the round you found out that twosome that would not wait for you to putt, played at proper pace?
In the old days twosomes had no rights, but that has long since changed.
Interesting. I agree about the entire "considerate" thing, but wouldnt it also be considerate to let the faster players play through? Or should it be because the course sets a "designated" pace, and you are on or under it, playing through is not an option?
Pace in my opinion means very little in the grand scheme of things, unless a course is properly spaced and only has 4somes going out. What if after the round you found out that twosome that would not wait for you to putt, played at proper pace?
In the old days twosomes had no rights, but that has long since changed.
I thought about this point last night. If you are playing slow, and marshal's forced you to let faster players play through, this would only slow you down even more ... costing you more. One way to counter this problem would be to have your cost be determined strictly by the time you are on the actual hole.
Carts equipped with an RFID chip, and when you drive up to the tee box, it gets logged and you start getting charged for play. When you finish up and drive past a waypoint after the green, it is also logged and your time "off the clock" is recorded.
You don't drive past the detector until you know you are ready to tee it up. As for waiting for a second shot ... that's where well trained marshal's, given the proper equipment (which tells them the speed of play of each group coming up to the hole they are policing), hold up the slow group and let the faster one's play through.What if you are sitting on the tee box for 10 minutes, or waiting to hit your second shot for ten minutes?