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jhoefer99 said:
I'm usually one to think that Chamblee is a huge dbag about 95% of the time, but I actually agree with him in that argument. Good back and forth between him and Nobilo
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I agree. Chamblee was correct and owned Frank in that discussion.
 
That swing is beautiful indeed.

On a separate note, I think it would Tiger some good to take a cue from Lebron and drop ten pounds this offseason.
 
As long as Tiger has a 2 way miss, he's not going to win anything. He's gotta get this sorted out and at least eliminate one side of the course.
 
To me, he looks defeated out there. No confidence and he knows he doesn't stand a chance. He is so lost it shows in his mannerisms and his attitude is displayed in his actions.

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The whole "role model for the tour" thing in that video didn't exactly pan out.

But man, that swing does look better to me, at least from a repeat ability standpoint.
 
jhoefer99 said:
I'm usually one to think that Chamblee is a huge dbag about 95% of the time, but I actually agree with him in that argument. Good back and forth between him and Nobilo
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What did you agree with?
 
Tadashi70 said:
What did you agree with?
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I agreed with his logic on why tigers current swing was hurting his back, or at least not helping it. The amount of shaft lean, aiming left, coming in steep, then tilting his spine back to compensate. I could be completely wrong since I don't know the technical in's and out's of the swing but it made sense to me.
 
jhoefer99 said:
I agreed with his logic on why tigers current swing was hurting his back, or at least not helping it. The amount of shaft lean, aiming left, coming in steep, then tilting his spine back to compensate. I could be completely wrong since I don't know the technical in's and out's of the swing but it made sense to me.
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If what Brandel was says was true TW would not be on the inside of the right foot on the down swing. He has made a good transfer from right to left.
The club is in front of him like it should be.
But he is crowded, no room to swing, almost a hit vs a swing through. But the spine angle in maintained. other than the middle frame he is not too steep.
There was very little consistency in the timing and as I said early he is crowding the ball.
He is also fighting the release of the hips to guard against that left hook. When he is firing the hips and swinging through with a good release that left won't be there, but he doesn't trust it. Those swings were from congressional so not the best. But what stands out is how low his head is, crowded contact zone.
Push those arms out, stand a little taller and swing at 80%. That will help him with the two way miss. Will it fix everything, no. But it will help.
 
Ugh. I wish when they showed a video clip, they knew the shot the player was trying to hit and such. You can make a lot of wrong diagnoses without context.
 
Just watched the Nobilo-Chamblee argument. What a freaking train wreck. The problem is that no one truly knows whether the swing is causing his back to keep getting injured, or he's not comfortable with his swing because of his back problems. I wish I had the patience to look back at when he was winning early in 2013 to figure out whether people were still criticizing his swing at that time. At this time as a Tiger fan, it's disheartening to see him not even in the picture in terms of contention. I just hope that he can get healthy and not struggle with his body for the rest of his career.
 
Don't care much about the chicken/egg Brandel/Nobilo argument but I am confident Tiger needs to shoot a 68 or better to make the cut.
 
Tadashi70 said:
Push those arms out, stand a little taller and swing at 80%. That will help him with the two way miss. Will it fix everything, no. But it will help.
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To my untrained eye that's what he appeared to do in his Wednesday practice round. My first thought was, wow, has he gone back to Butch Harmon!
 
So, does Tiger WD before or after the turn today????
 
Tadashi70 said:
If what Brandel was says was true TW would not be on the inside of the right foot on the down swing. He has made a good transfer from right to left.
The club is in front of him like it should be.
But he is crowded, no room to swing, almost a hit vs a swing through. But the spine angle in maintained. other than the middle frame he is not too steep.
There was very little consistency in the timing and as I said early he is crowding the ball.
He is also fighting the release of the hips to guard against that left hook. When he is firing the hips and swinging through with a good release that left won't be there, but he doesn't trust it. Those swings were from congressional so not the best. But what stands out is how low his head is, crowded contact zone.
Push those arms out, stand a little taller and swing at 80%. That will help him with the two way miss. Will it fix everything, no. But it will help.
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So then my immediate reaction to think Brandel is a dbag 95% of the time was correct, and he's just doing his normal Tiger bashing?
 
jhoefer99 said:
So then my immediate reaction to think Brandel is a dbag 95% of the time was correct, and he's just doing his normal Tiger bashing?
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No, it's what he believes is right. He happens to be off target on this but that doesn't mean he bashing TW. I think his dislike for the man comes through more often then not and that's not good for his position.
 
Tadashi70 said:
No, it's what he believes is right. He happens to be off target on this but that doesn't mean he bashing TW. I think his dislike for the man comes through more often then not and that's not good for his position.
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I have heard loads of people say it... but you being someone that knows this game through and through... do you think TW would be better off going with another swing coach?
 
Freddie, What's your take on the comments we hear that Tiger doesn't have a two way miss on the driving range? Michael Breed said it yesterday and I've heard other commentators say it to, that Tiger stripes it on the range but hasn't been able to get that swing out on the course. Is it pressure? Trust?

It has to be more mental than actual swing if he can do it on the range and not the course.
 
Parker McLachlin says to leave.
Azinger says so too.

One of those was even taught by Foley.
 
Sanzabar said:
I have heard loads of people say it... but you being someone that knows this game through and through... do you think TW would be better off going with another swing coach?
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Yes, 100% yes. I like Foley and I like his swing philosophy. I defended him early on because I knew the process they are both going through. TW had a swing that could have worked if he wasn't so athletic.

Trout used to point that out early on. I got so caught up in the now I didn't see past it to the today. He is an athlete and needs to swing like one. This stuff he has going on with three swings in his head is bad. An it would not take an over haul. He has a solid move in his system. A move he can trust but as long as he allows foley to get deeper into that mind he will be a cripple. Can it all come together, sure. Is it likely for,no.

Foley must be asked to leave, he can't quit. His career will be crushed. Just wondering when Eldrick is going to be like his dad and just call a spade a spade. His legacy is on the line.
 
cpljohnst said:
Freddie, What's your take on the comments we hear that Tiger doesn't have a two way miss on the driving range? Michael Breed said it yesterday and I've heard other commentators say it to, that Tiger stripes it on the range but hasn't been able to get that swing out on the course. Is it pressure? Trust?

It has to be more mental than actual swing if he can do it on the range and not the course.
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Pressure doubtful, more likely trust. We have all been there our swing is off & we have no idea where its going, you hit some fades so you aim left and it goes straight or even draws & vice versa, but we are not doing it on national TV with everyone watching every shot and critiquing every swing, add in back problems & limited practice this is what you get.

Now as for the range walk down the range at any PGA/Mini tour event who doesn't have a good swing on the range?
 
I bet after this season Tiger and Foley part ways. No way Tiger lets this go on
 
INgolfer said:
I bet after this season Tiger and Foley part ways. No way Tiger lets this go on
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In some ways his game is very reminiscent of two seasons ago, whee he was coming off injury, telling everyone he was fine but needed more reps. If he hadn't gotten it straightened out last year and won 5 times I'd tend to think Foley would be history. I think those 5 Ws save Foley.
 
JB said:
Parker McLachlin says to leave.
Azinger says so too.

One of those was even taught by Foley.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/golf...Rjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDQ2N18x?pt=tAD1SCT8P7/

While Tiger Woods was starting his round at the PGA Championship, a former protege of Tiger's swing coach had some advice for the most recognizable golfer on the planet.

Parker McLachlin, a former PGA Tour champion, thinks Woods should drop Sean Foley and fast, pointing to the struggles Woods has had off the tee the last few years.
The words might come off harsh, but McLachlin lived through the ups and downs of working with Foley, starting with the swing coach in the fall of 2008 and ending his relationship with Foley at the end of 2010.

McLachlin thinks the issues with Woods' golf swing have a lot to do with the work he's done with Foley, and isn't out to attack his former teacher, more give advice for a man he loves watching play golf.

"I'm a Tiger fan, so it's hard for me to watch the most talented golfer of all time be so confused about where the ball is going," McLachlin told Yahoo.
As Kyle Porter over at CBS points out, Foley actually spoke of his work with McLachlin in a Golf Digest story in 2011, saying, "The biggest mistake a teacher can make with a tour pro is to change the grip. I learned the hard way with Parker McLachlin."

McLachlin isn't the only person in golf that thinks Woods has made a mistake with Foley. Paul Azinger, joining the Mighty 1090 show (audio right here), talked Tiger and his struggles on the golf course. Azinger thinks it's the instruction that has been a big problem for Tiger the last few years.

"His instruction, I just feel is way off base at this point. For him to have a two-way miss and not be able to fix it ... I've never been the player that Tiger Woods has been, but I never had a two-way miss, at least nothing that ever lasted more than a day. If a player can eliminate one side of the golf course, and generally right-handed players want to eliminate left, it's easy to eliminate left if you have proper instruction, if someone is giving you good advice.


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"It's as simple as this; if you know you can't hit it left, why would you ever miss it to the right? That's all it is at this level for us. If you know you can't hook it, if you know you can't pull it, why would you ever miss it to the right? Tiger has to get back to that, but he's playing golf swing, he's playing mechanics.

The only way Tiger can suffer a two-way miss for this length of time is he is not being fed good information. If you can't fix Tiger Woods in 5 to 10 minutes, you're telling him wrong, and for him to listen to it, and for him to not know this, is shocking to me."

The issue that a lot of people forgetting is how stubborn Tiger can be. His own caddie, Joe LaCava, mentioned this week that "tough and stubborn would be two good words" to describe Tiger, so maybe he just thinks that with this instruction and his ability he will just be able to figure it out at some point.

And let us not forget that a healthy Tiger Woods won five times last year and was the PGA Tour Player of the Year, so when his back isn't giving him problems he still has the ability to dominate no matter how bad he's missing it off the tee, but I tend to agree with both McLachlin and Azinger on Tiger's golf swing.

When you eliminate one side of the golf course as a pro, you make the game very easy, and right now, Woods doesn't know where it's going when he stands on the tee.

That makes the game tougher than it should be, and we're seeing that this week at Valhalla, as Woods struggled to an opening round 74 that saw him miss some drives by 30 and 40 yards on his back nine.
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I said it in the who wins first Tiger another major or Rory the Masters that I keep waiting to see the breaking news ticker on the bottom of the Golf Channel that Woods and Foley part ways. But I don't nessasaraly think it's all Foley's fault, I think Tiger just needs a change to mentally get him back into his grove. Make no mistake if Foley sucked Tiger wouldn't of won 5 times last year I think It's just a clear your head change.
 
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