Well then screw everyone else, amirite?
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The coolest thing for me at the US Open was when one of the Pros hit a green and everyone cheered. And then when/if the ball rolled off everyone would say "Awwwwwwwww". It was awesome and even the Pros where appreciative of the crowd sentiment.
Then there was the same guy yelling at Spieth every hole about how ugly his shirt was. Not necessary and just plain stupid. This ONE GUY followed Spieth around his whole first round giving him **** about his shirt. I mean, really?
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if you are smashed drunk at a hockey game, you get escorted out, and thats hockey. My buddy went out for a smoke and stumbled, never even said anything and he was out. Maybe golf needs to escort the drunks out, unless its the Waste Mgmt open, or start cutting people off? I know they cut golfers off at my course when they have seemed to have had enough, why not fans?
And fyi I never watched any of the US open, so unsure of all the antics that happened.
And fyi I never watched any of the US open, so unsure of all the antics that happened.
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I'm really disturbed by the heckling. It's really up close and personal in golf, whereas the other main sports there's a bit more separation from fans and players, so it feels less distressful to me. Also, most other sports are team against team, representing different cities/regions normally, so I think it's a bit of a natural rivalry situation between opposing fans. But in golf when a person heckles, it's personal against the golfer. There's no opposing team (except in the cup events) so it really is just personal nastiness expressed to an individual within personal earshot. I think hecklers should be identified, given a warning, and if it happens again at the event, asked to leave the property.
Trust me, I can drink with the best of them and I do quite regularly. Not so much on the course but afterwards I can get it on. But acting like your still in a fraternity isn't cool. If your in a fraternity, im sorry
.......and no I was not in a fraternity.
.......and no I was not in a fraternity.
Well said. In this internet age, it's still (nearly) anonymous trolling.
And there's a huge difference between the hecklers and the folks just yelling. Abuse should never be allowed. Cheering on your favorite player definitely should be.
Edit to add: remember when Monica got *stabbed* on the tennis court? I think about that all the time, seeing how up close and personal the golfers are still to the fans. If the hecklers continue, this unique aspect of being able to be close to your favorite golfers will be tightened for security purposes.
How brave are those guys to walk though that mess, if you really think about the consequences of celebrity in this day and age?
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Not sure the 1st amendment (Congress shall make no law...) applies to the USGA (or any other golf committee) so I don't see a (Constitutional) problem with making such a rule. I do think that they need to grow thicker skin and just ignore the hecklers.
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I think we breathe in too much carbon monoxide in this area due to the siting in traffic.
But honestly I think nowadays there is certainly a turn in society behavior that's for the worse. Lack of common courtesies and less displays respect and etiquettes are growing more and more and I personally don't like where its heading.
Its kind of like my F-bomb thread while in an ear shot of others around. Even here we had to close the thread because that's just considered a norm now by too many people and I received backlash for mentioning it isn't good behaviour.
But it all goes together and works hand in hand. From the little things no one seems to care about that add up to the bigger things and everything in between all makes for a good or a poor atmosphere. And imo there isn't enough of that good atmosphere anymore.
But honestly I think nowadays there is certainly a turn in society behavior that's for the worse. Lack of common courtesies and less displays respect and etiquettes are growing more and more and I personally don't like where its heading.
Its kind of like my F-bomb thread while in an ear shot of others around. Even here we had to close the thread because that's just considered a norm now by too many people and I received backlash for mentioning it isn't good behaviour.
But it all goes together and works hand in hand. From the little things no one seems to care about that add up to the bigger things and everything in between all makes for a good or a poor atmosphere. And imo there isn't enough of that good atmosphere anymore.
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I must've missed that. Too bad Spieth didn't change his shirt to see if the guy would shut up! Would have been funny to see him go into a bathroom, do a Superman and come out with a new shirt, then pay attention to see if the guy even noticed or was just stupid.
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I'm in the middle of all this debate. I don't see a problem with the yelling stuff. It's annoying sometimes, unexplainable sometimes (what does bababooey even mean?), and maybe even childish sometimes, but it's just words.
I would be all for making events dry to see if that helps, but can you imagine the backlash there would be if people were prevented from having the option to imbibe their favorite (or not so favorite) alcohol?
As far as the dress code, I am all for it. It's not too much to ask to look decent when you're playing. If you wanna play in shorts and a tank top, go play basketball. Out of curiosity, for those of you here who bowl even semi-seriously, does bowling have a similar dress code?
I would be all for making events dry to see if that helps, but can you imagine the backlash there would be if people were prevented from having the option to imbibe their favorite (or not so favorite) alcohol?
As far as the dress code, I am all for it. It's not too much to ask to look decent when you're playing. If you wanna play in shorts and a tank top, go play basketball. Out of curiosity, for those of you here who bowl even semi-seriously, does bowling have a similar dress code?
At a goat track muni.....you can wear wife beaters with t*t dirt on them all day. Whatever.
Dress code is respect. You don't wear "whatever" to a nice restaurant because you "think people should lighten up" at that restaurant. If you don't want to want abide by the dress code....don't go.
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Not really on topic but I just dont understand why every single "barrier" in this world needs to be knocked down for some to be happy, and I use the term barrier loosely since "dont act like a jackwad" is hardly a barrier. Golf courses have dress codes and codes of conduct and to me that's one of the great things about golf.
I saw a few minutes of the Open. Turned it off after hearing what sounded like a kid yelling Baba Booey. I don’t need or want to hear that. So I went golfing instead. That said, I have yelled “get in the hole” a few times. But those were chips and pitches that were right at the pin and after a bounce with an actual chance, not a 3W off the tee on a tight par 5.
I can see it from that perspective. The nicer the course the more strict the dress code makes sense. The overall goal though should be to get more people playing golf and enjoying it. I have kind of over exaggerated and played devil's advocate to get to that point and have enjoyed the discussion. I personally enjoy putting on the polo and golf hat and the etiquette that comes along with golf but I also think that golf needs fewer barriers to entry to get more people enjoying the game. I think some golfers are a little too uptight when it comes to the game and I think that is what needs to change the most. I have provided extreme examples to prove that point but agree that there should be some standards when it comes to what people say and how they act on the course. It should not be anything goes but a lot more people need to just allow people to enjoy themselves and not get too bothered over someone not having perfect etiquette or shouting something stupid such as "Dilly Dilly".
I see what your saying. But everything these days is always open for discussion. There isn't right from wrong anymore...its always a grey area now which always creates a pissing match. But disrupting others and not having respect for others isn't the way to grow the game. Its actually going to grow it in the opposite direction. Majority of golf fans don't plan, pay, and attend events to see some clown that started drinking with his fraternity "brothers" at 7 a.m that day shout "mashed potatoes!!" after each tee shot cause his "brothers" back home can hear him on tv and think its cool. Its not cool, its disrespectful. Something like that has always been the case since dirt was new. Another example, its like having a kid in a decently quiet setting that the parents have no control over. Its disrespect to others rather now days its "well you will be ok, don't be so soft" People don't want to hear or see that sh*t and it really shouldn't be open for discussion. But we have allowed it and the exception has become the rule which is sad.
I know most don't like Ian Poulter. Great, if you don't like him you don't like him. But damn, the things people were saying to him its like... really?? Complete disrespect. That's terrible and we as Americans should be ashamed for that. Hes a golfer, a human being, hes not a piece of sh*t. He didn't put people in concentration camps, he plays golf. My god
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If they're thrown out for what they've said, they now feel their freedom of speech has been breached and will look for a pay day or look for 15 minutes of fame. Right or wrong and whether it applies to the USGA or not they will still spout off to anyone that will listen. Plus we all know there are lawyers that will take the case to try and sue knowing they won't win hoping to settle out of court for a small pay day.
But there's a chance that the ball might hit a tree, bounce, hit a sprinkler head, an explosion on the opposite side of the world will rock the whole Earth just enough to effect the bounce and roll, and then a gopher will pop out of their hole at the exact moment the ball is coming down and have it bounce off their head and onto the green and roll into the hole.
I'm just saying its possible so don't hate me when I yell it on a par 5. It could happen.
You don't see this at The Masters. Why? Because your ass will be tossed before you can even get to the word booey
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think a golf tournament should be a stuffy, uptight place, but yeah the yelling of stupid things is just insane. I'm all for having a good time with your buddies, dad, brother, uncle, wife's boyfriend or who ever but keep your stupidness to yourself.
Could it be that this stuff doesn't happen as often (won't say it never happens) at the Master's because you can't just walk up, drop $20 or what ever admission is and get it? That you have to enter a lottery and hope that you get tickets for the weekend. Or pay out the nose to a scalper to get tickets to get in. I'm definitely not saying all tournaments should go that route either.
Yeah that's a good question. Like I have said before, when the exception becomes the rule someone always ends up taking it to the extreme and then heeeerrreeee we go. Its just not in golf either, its every day life.
On the other hand, people are going to be pissed if or when ticket prices start rising because of added security to take care of these clowns if it ever gets to that point.
Also when the Waste Management open gets brought up in this conversation, a smart person knows what goes down at this event and if its not for you....don't go.
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It's my understanding that you'll be escorted off the property for acting that way at the Master's.
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I think this thread has a good amount more opinions and discussion in it than only heckling fans and it does also discuss behaviors/etiquettes in general. So with that, Id lie to add a couple thoughts.
Firstly something I mentioned in a thread a long time ago is this. As the years move on I find more and more places we go and things we do for recreation and pleasure end up with more and more and more rules and regulations and even sometimes laws.
Reason being? Is because more and more people through those same years just don't know how to behave accordingly, lack common courtesies, respect, responsibility, and etiquettes. And its always an "all about me" attitude. And if whatever/wherever it is that your heading involves alcohol then you can bet there are even more rules and regulations and laws. Imo its gotten to the point where the rules can become so strict and limited that it actually puts a damper on just how enjoyable and pleasurable of a time you and or your family can have otherwise. And on top of that there things that don't even exist anymore. And its all because there are simply too many disrespectful, misbehaved, careless, etiquette lacking idiots who do, and say, and participate in poor actions and behaviors. It is because of them that we all suffer as we find ourselves now limited as to just what we can do , when we can do it, and how much we can enjoy doing it.
Just one (of many) small example. I know of a beach shore community (actually I know a few) but this one area when you go to the beach. No kite flying, no Frisbee, no football throwing, no toss games or really any games of any kind that invove any physical activity, no alcohol, no food, no coolers, etc,etc,etc. Basically the only thing you can do on this beach is sit there or swim. And so you take the fam to the beach figuring to bring some food and drink (even some beers), maybe fly a kite or toss around a Frisbee, etc,, whatever and do it in a responsible manor. But no..... you cant do any of it. Why? because of the idots who cant do any of that stuff while keeping it respectable and responsible. They just cant do it in a good way. They are just incapable of behaving properly while doing all those fun things at the same time. And so now because of you, everyone cant do anything. Thank you to all you idiots for once again ruining everyone else's enjoyments. That's just one small example.
As for dress codes? I do get that there are places where attire does not change all too much between life's different obligations and happenings. I also understand dress does not indicate what type of person someone is. But there is one thing I believe to be true. The more dressed up people are , the better in general the behavior and etiquettes will be. One of those reasons is because its expected.
There was a time when there was such a thing as school clothes vs our play clothes. There was (at least for many Catholics) Sunday clothes vs play clothes. People dressed a bit nicer whenever they went to visit relatives (say grandma's house), or out to dinner at even mid grade restaurant or just a diner, heck we use to where our better clothes when traveling on a plane. People did it even at sporting events. Look years ago at photos (i'll reference my area) at photos of shea stadium 69 world series and see the crowd where as men in shirts and ties. I mean at a baseball game? Yea, it was a means of displaying certain better than usual etiquettes when you went places.
The idea was that dressing up to a degree is in general a way of expecting and being on a better behavior etiquette above the norm. It does go hand in hand with it. Dresing down is more relaxed and so are the behaviors while dressing up in general raises the awareness for better etiquettes. It doesn't mean that anyone dressed up is better behaved nor does it mean anyone dressed down isn't better behaved. But when there is any gathering in general and there is a dress code it is part of a general expectation of a better etiquette and behavior atmosphere and usually is. Its what they are trying to accomplish when they have a dress code. When at some place or type of gathering or event, and lets say a couple hundred people are there. If its a tank top and shorts type of thing vs suits and ties type of thing, there is most likely going to be a higher expectation of behavior and etiquette at the one with the dressed up crowd than the dressed down crowd. Neither has to be bad but just that the one is going to have a higher awareness and expectation for a better display of etiquettes. And usually along with that you would find there to be less problematic behavior. Its why its done.
Firstly something I mentioned in a thread a long time ago is this. As the years move on I find more and more places we go and things we do for recreation and pleasure end up with more and more and more rules and regulations and even sometimes laws.
Reason being? Is because more and more people through those same years just don't know how to behave accordingly, lack common courtesies, respect, responsibility, and etiquettes. And its always an "all about me" attitude. And if whatever/wherever it is that your heading involves alcohol then you can bet there are even more rules and regulations and laws. Imo its gotten to the point where the rules can become so strict and limited that it actually puts a damper on just how enjoyable and pleasurable of a time you and or your family can have otherwise. And on top of that there things that don't even exist anymore. And its all because there are simply too many disrespectful, misbehaved, careless, etiquette lacking idiots who do, and say, and participate in poor actions and behaviors. It is because of them that we all suffer as we find ourselves now limited as to just what we can do , when we can do it, and how much we can enjoy doing it.
Just one (of many) small example. I know of a beach shore community (actually I know a few) but this one area when you go to the beach. No kite flying, no Frisbee, no football throwing, no toss games or really any games of any kind that invove any physical activity, no alcohol, no food, no coolers, etc,etc,etc. Basically the only thing you can do on this beach is sit there or swim. And so you take the fam to the beach figuring to bring some food and drink (even some beers), maybe fly a kite or toss around a Frisbee, etc,, whatever and do it in a responsible manor. But no..... you cant do any of it. Why? because of the idots who cant do any of that stuff while keeping it respectable and responsible. They just cant do it in a good way. They are just incapable of behaving properly while doing all those fun things at the same time. And so now because of you, everyone cant do anything. Thank you to all you idiots for once again ruining everyone else's enjoyments. That's just one small example.
As for dress codes? I do get that there are places where attire does not change all too much between life's different obligations and happenings. I also understand dress does not indicate what type of person someone is. But there is one thing I believe to be true. The more dressed up people are , the better in general the behavior and etiquettes will be. One of those reasons is because its expected.
There was a time when there was such a thing as school clothes vs our play clothes. There was (at least for many Catholics) Sunday clothes vs play clothes. People dressed a bit nicer whenever they went to visit relatives (say grandma's house), or out to dinner at even mid grade restaurant or just a diner, heck we use to where our better clothes when traveling on a plane. People did it even at sporting events. Look years ago at photos (i'll reference my area) at photos of shea stadium 69 world series and see the crowd where as men in shirts and ties. I mean at a baseball game? Yea, it was a means of displaying certain better than usual etiquettes when you went places.
The idea was that dressing up to a degree is in general a way of expecting and being on a better behavior etiquette above the norm. It does go hand in hand with it. Dresing down is more relaxed and so are the behaviors while dressing up in general raises the awareness for better etiquettes. It doesn't mean that anyone dressed up is better behaved nor does it mean anyone dressed down isn't better behaved. But when there is any gathering in general and there is a dress code it is part of a general expectation of a better etiquette and behavior atmosphere and usually is. Its what they are trying to accomplish when they have a dress code. When at some place or type of gathering or event, and lets say a couple hundred people are there. If its a tank top and shorts type of thing vs suits and ties type of thing, there is most likely going to be a higher expectation of behavior and etiquette at the one with the dressed up crowd than the dressed down crowd. Neither has to be bad but just that the one is going to have a higher awareness and expectation for a better display of etiquettes. And usually along with that you would find there to be less problematic behavior. Its why its done.
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I agree. Why does everyone have to be included in everything the way they want it to be via stripping barriers to make it so they can come and do as they wish? I mean if someone wants to participate in something that has some expectations via certain codes then what is wrong with that and what is wrong with that person adhering to it instead of demanding the codes and expectations be withdrawn? Imo golf is one the few things left where better conduct etiquettes are still of concern as we just don't have that many things anymore which help preserve it. If for no other reason but that, Im a fan of what Armygolf said. Its not elitism. Im about the least elitist person I know. But I do feel saddened that so many things we had have become more and more lacking in codes of conduct and its nice to see something that still values it.
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This is why I’m such a huge supporter of school uniforms. It creates an environment and expectation of discipline and structure. Thank you so much for the exceptional post; I couldn’t agree more with every word.
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