Well then screw everyone else, amirite?Personally, I would not let a drunk guy yelling ruin an experience for me. Maybe I am better at tuning things out and ignoring things than other people but I do not let others affect my experiences.
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Well then screw everyone else, amirite?Personally, I would not let a drunk guy yelling ruin an experience for me. Maybe I am better at tuning things out and ignoring things than other people but I do not let others affect my experiences.
I'm all for cheering for a person but am decidedly against cheering for someone to fail.
I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree then. To me, golf should be less about the exclusiveness and more about having fun. If someone's idea of golf is to ride around in a cart smashing beers and hitting bad shots, they should be free to do so. If someone else wants to ride around hitting good shots and working on their handicap they should also be free to do so.
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Iv been around wingos smashing beers and hacking balls. Then it turns into sliding carts or damaging carts, huge craters on tee boxes and fairways (that don't even attempt to repair), beer cans left on the course, hell iv even seen them drive over greens before. Im sorry but no. Having a good time and acting like a complete f*cking douche are two different things. I know many guys that don't play much, and go just to have a good time but they don't act or disrupt others. Its respect. And if one doesn't know the dress code at a certain course a smart person asks.
Im sorry, im not buying it.
I'm really disturbed by the heckling. It's really up close and personal in golf, whereas the other main sports there's a bit more separation from fans and players, so it feels less distressful to me. Also, most other sports are team against team, representing different cities/regions normally, so I think it's a bit of a natural rivalry situation between opposing fans. But in golf when a person heckles, it's personal against the golfer. There's no opposing team (except in the cup events) so it really is just personal nastiness expressed to an individual within personal earshot. I think hecklers should be identified, given a warning, and if it happens again at the event, asked to leave the property.
Anyhow, every one wants to throw these people out of the tournament, which I'm not opposed to. But what happens when they get kicked out and then file a lawsuit (or just cry to the newspapers or TMZ or whoever will listen) saying their First Amendment rights were violated?
Then there was the same guy yelling at Spieth every hole about how ugly his shirt was. Not necessary and just plain stupid. This ONE GUY followed Spieth around his whole first round giving him **** about his shirt. I mean, really?
I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree then. To me, golf should be less about the exclusiveness and more about having fun. If someone's idea of golf is to ride around in a cart smashing beers and hitting bad shots, they should be free to do so. If someone else wants to ride around hitting good shots and working on their handicap they should also be free to do so.
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Iv been around wingos smashing beers and hacking balls. Then it turns into sliding carts or damaging carts, huge craters on tee boxes and fairways (that don't even attempt to repair), beer cans left on the course, hell iv even seen them drive over greens before. Im sorry but no. Having a good time and acting like a complete f*cking douche are two different things. I know many guys that don't play much, and go just to have a good time but they don't act or disrupt others. Its respect. And if one doesn't know the dress code at a certain course a smart person asks.
Im sorry, im not buying it.
In the previous post I said it should not matter as long as they are taking care of the course. I agree if someone is destroying the course and exhibiting the behavior you mentioined above, they should be escorted off the property. As far as dress code goes, I just do not see a purpose for it. People should be allowed to play golf no matter what they are wearing.
I think golfers just need to grow a thicker skin. As long as what is being shouted is tv appropriate, I do not think it should matter. I think the guy heckling Spieth was funny. I loved seeing Poulter get ratteled and my favorite of all was players like Koepka who go out there and don't complain. They play good golf and ignore the hecklers.
As far as dress code goes, I just do not see a purpose for it. People should be allowed to play golf no matter what they are wearing.
At a goat track muni.....you can wear wife beaters with t*t dirt on them all day. Whatever.
Dress code is respect. You don't wear "whatever" to a nice restaurant because you "think people should lighten up" at that restaurant. If you don't want to want abide by the dress code....don't go.
I can see it from that perspective. The nicer the course the more strict the dress code makes sense. The overall goal though should be to get more people playing golf and enjoying it. I have kind of over exaggerated and played devil's advocate to get to that point and have enjoyed the discussion. I personally enjoy putting on the polo and golf hat and the etiquette that comes along with golf but I also think that golf needs fewer barriers to entry to get more people enjoying the game. I think some golfers are a little too uptight when it comes to the game and I think that is what needs to change the most. I have provided extreme examples to prove that point but agree that there should be some standards when it comes to what people say and how they act on the course. It should not be anything goes but a lot more people need to just allow people to enjoy themselves and not get too bothered over someone not having perfect etiquette or shouting something stupid such as "Dilly Dilly".
Not sure the 1st amendment (Congress shall make no law...) applies to the USGA (or any other golf committee) so I don't see a (Constitutional) problem with making such a rule. I do think that they need to grow thicker skin and just ignore the hecklers.
I saw a few minutes of the Open. Turned it off after hearing what sounded like a kid yelling Baba Booey. I don’t need or want to hear that. So I went golfing instead. That said, I have yelled “get in the hole” a few times. But those were chips and pitches that were right at the pin and after a bounce with an actual chance, not a 3W off the tee on a tight par 5.
If they're thrown out for what they've said, they now feel their freedom of speech has been breached and will look for a pay day or look for 15 minutes of fame. Right or wrong and whether it applies to the USGA or not they will still spout off to anyone that will listen. Plus we all know there are lawyers that will take the case to try and sue knowing they won't win hoping to settle out of court for a small pay day.
You don't see this at The Masters. Why? Because your ass will be tossed before you can even get to the word booey
Don't get me wrong, I don't think a golf tournament should be a stuffy, uptight place, but yeah the yelling of stupid things is just insane. I'm all for having a good time with your buddies, dad, brother, uncle, wife's boyfriend or who ever but keep your stupidness to yourself.
Could it be that this stuff doesn't happen as often (won't say it never happens) at the Master's because you can't just walk up, drop $20 or what ever admission is and get it? That you have to enter a lottery and hope that you get tickets for the weekend. Or pay out the nose to a scalper to get tickets to get in. I'm definitely not saying all tournaments should go that route either.
Could it be that this stuff doesn't happen as often (won't say it never happens) at the Master's because you can't just walk up, drop $20 or what ever admission is and get it? That you have to enter a lottery and hope that you get tickets for the weekend. Or pay out the nose to a scalper to get tickets to get in. I'm definitely not saying all tournaments should go that route either.
I agree. Why does everyone have to be included in everything the way they want it to be via stripping barriers to make it so they can come and do as they wish? I mean if someone wants to participate in something that has some expectations via certain codes then what is wrong with that and what is wrong with that person adhering to it instead of demanding the codes and expectations be withdrawn? Imo golf is one the few things left where better conduct etiquettes are still of concern as we just don't have that many things anymore which help preserve it. If for no other reason but that, Im a fan of what Armygolf said. Its not elitism. Im about the least elitist person I know. But I do feel saddened that so many things we had have become more and more lacking in codes of conduct and its nice to see something that still values it.Not really on topic but I just dont understand why every single "barrier" in this world needs to be knocked down for some to be happy, and I use the term barrier loosely since "dont act like a jackwad" is hardly a barrier. Golf courses have dress codes and codes of conduct and to me that's one of the great things about golf.
But when there is any gathering in general and there is a dress code it is part of a general expectation of a better etiquette and behavior atmosphere and usually is.