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PGA Hypocrisy

odom730 said:
I disagree with you.

They weren't suspended for betting. It seems like they're allowed to bet on football, baseball, basketball, etc. They just can't bet on golf.

The Tour is taking ad dollars for betting. That is true. But the rule is you can't bet on golf if you're being paid to play golf. You can't have any leeway here. The competition has to stay above suspicion of any kind. If there's ever a question of what we watch on the weekend being scripted, then it's game over for that sport.

And I dont think the solution is setting a rule that you can bet except for the tour you're currently on. What about events you're not actively playing in? Or any majors you might not have qualified for? It's easier to set a blanket rule of "Don't bet on golf."
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But the pga tour has a ton of influence over events, tee times, set up, pairings, etc..

Getting super hypothetical here.

But, You don’t think there could be line nudging there by them? If draftkings who is paying a lot of money in add rev. Sees on Saturday a player is in the lead and will cost them a big pay out. They could call and say, hey, make sure he doesn’t get any good rulings. O
 
Remember Tim Donaghy the NBA ref who was fixing games?
 
Templet0n said:
But the pga tour has a ton of influence over events, tee times, set up, pairings, etc..

Getting super hypothetical here.

But, You don’t think there could be line nudging there by them? If draftkings who is paying a lot of money in add rev. Sees on Saturday a player is in the lead and will cost them a big pay out. They could call and say, hey, make sure he doesn’t get any good rulings. O
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That's a big if and highly illegal. That's not illegal betting or point shaving. That's a conspiracy to defraud the public. That's prison time for lots of people. And if that's your argument, then that's an argument against sports gambling in general.

The PGA isn't making money by betting on the outcome. It's just taking ad revenue. And no, I've never worried about the league trying to change, setup, nudge, or help any outcome to avoid any organization having to payout.

But I do feel that athletes shouldn't bet on their own sport. In anyway shape or form.

And the players benefit from ad revenue from Draft Kings and others. In increased purses, better pensions, and other forms of income that come from the tours. All that money trickles down to the players. Maybe not as much as it should. But that's a different argument.
 
The PGA/NBA/NFL/etc don't "make money from sports betting." They make money from advertising revenue. It's not like the PGA is having employees bet on PGA events to make more money for the Tour. That would be highly illegal.
 
odom730 said:
That's a big if and highly illegal. That's not illegal betting or point shaving. That's a conspiracy to defraud the public. That's prison time for lots of people. And if that's your argument, then that's an argument against sports gambling in general.

The PGA isn't making money by betting on the outcome. It's just taking ad revenue. And no, I've never worried about the league trying to change, setup, nudge, or help any outcome to avoid any organization having to payout.

But I do feel that athletes shouldn't bet on their own sport. In anyway shape or form.

And the players benefit from ad revenue from Draft Kings and others. In increased purses, better pensions, and other forms of income that come from the tours. All that money trickles down to the players. Maybe not as much as it should. But that's a different argument.
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In general. Yes, I am anti sports betting. But that is a whole different discussion.
 
No issue with the suspension. Play stupid games… that ad revenue funnels down to the players. Curious if any players have direct sponsorship relationships with sportsbooks.
 
RealPretendPsychic said:
No issue with the suspension. Play stupid games… that ad revenue funnels down to the players. Curious if any players have direct sponsorship relationships with sportsbooks.
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Bryson did or does with draftkings
 
I have a family member who is an athletic trainer at a D1 school for Girl's soccer and softball. She's not even allowed to participate in free March Madness brackets even though she has no interaction with anyone from either basketball team. But she knows these rules, so she doesn't do it. These players knew they weren't supposed to bet on golf, but did. That's on them.
 
amarkabove said:
I have a family member who is an athletic trainer at a D1 school for Girl's soccer and softball. She's not even allowed to participate in free March Madness brackets even though she has no interaction with anyone from either basketball team. But she knows these rules, so she doesn't do it. These players knew they weren't supposed to bet on golf, but did. That's on them.
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Just so I am clear. I don’t care really that they got suspended. I am with everyone that they knew the rules. I am just saying it’s hypocritical.
 
All of the leagues/sports are MORE sensitive to this now that they're partnering with gambling companies. Any whiff of inappropriate behavior and the money all goes poof! Can you imagine what would happen if a player was fixing matches he was betting on?
 
odom730 said:
Fair enough.
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I also that there is very little if any integrity in sports anymore. There is toooo much money now. No way it is “pure competition” in any professional sports league.
 
Templet0n said:
I also that there is very little if any integrity in sports anymore. There is toooo much money now. No way it is “pure competition” in any professional sports league.
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I don't think players/owners are any different now than they ever were. From owners screwing over players with the reserve clause, to players seeking out every nickel during free agency and demanding trades after signing extensions. At least they're more honest about it now. The consumers end up getting screwed over as in most things.

And I don't look to sports for integrity. I just want to know the outcome is honest, not predetermined, and without outside influence.
 
Templet0n said:
Totally agree. They should know the rule . I don’t think sports leagues should be able to collect from sports betting if players can’t.
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Players can be sponsored by casinos. They have been forever.

Any player doing this is a ******* moron. It’s the only thing that makes sports real, that outcomes are not predetermined. Allowing players to bet on their own sport is crazy talk
 
Hacker67 said:
Remember Tim Donaghy the NBA ref who was fixing games?
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Hey that was an isolated incident and definitely never happened when the Lakers played the small market Blazers or Kings in the Western Finals.
 
JB said:
Players can be sponsored by casinos. They have been forever.

Any player doing this is a ******* moron. It’s the only thing that makes sports real, that outcomes are not predetermined. Allowing players to bet on their own sport is crazy talk
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So I am clear. I am not in favor or ok with this or suggesting it..
 
Templet0n said:
So I am clear. I am not in favor or ok with this or suggesting it..
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It’s not really hypocrisy then, right?
We would have the same issue if the tour commissioner was betting on outcomes.
 
JB said:
It’s not really hypocrisy then, right?
We would have the same issue if the tour commissioner was betting on outcomes.
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I dunno. To me it still doesn’t feel right. The league or organization is profiting off betting of the organization..
 
Templet0n said:
I dunno. To me it still doesn’t feel right. The league or organization is profiting off betting of the organization..
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So are players. There are guys sponsored by MGM, Caesars, etc etc.
 
JB said:
So are players. There are guys sponsored by MGM, Caesars, etc etc.
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Isn’t that a little different ?
 
Templet0n said:
Isn’t that a little different ?
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How? League sponsored by gambling place and players sponsored by gambling place

A sports league having a rule that says you can’t bet on the outcome of your sport seems pretty logical.

I can’t get behind the idea of hypocrisy here.
 
JB said:
How? League sponsored by gambling place and players sponsored by gambling place

A sports league having a rule that says you can’t bet on the outcome of your sport seems pretty logical.

I can’t get behind the idea of hypocrisy here.
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Caesar’s is more than just gambling. And way more than just sports betting.

The partnerships with the PGA are as I understand just sports books. Correct me if I am wrong I very well could be.
 
Cody I’m going to disagree. I’m going to assume the tour hierarchy gets all players to commit to and Matthew sign something that says they won’t gamble on their chosen sport.

That said, this stuff will continue to happen, people are stupid, stubborn and or addicted to things including gambling.
 
It's not like the PGA actually profits off the bets made though. Just the ad deal. And some of that generated revenue has increased payouts for players, so they're already profiting from it as well.

Think of it another way, PGA also has alcohol sponsorships, but doesn't let its players play drunk.
 
amarkabove said:
It's not like the PGA actually profits off the bets made though. Just the ad deal. And some of that generated revenue has increased payouts for players, so they're already profiting from it as well.

Think of it another way, PGA also has alcohol sponsorships, but doesn't let its players play drunk.
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