Players have gotten 2-5 games for stomping. Pounce is likely looking at a couple of games for kicking a guy in the head when he’s on the ground and underneath someone else (defenseless). Garrett has to be done for the year, if not more.
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I watched the replay and looking at it again... If you think that 66 and 71 are going after him you're just wrong.... Rudolph goes at him for sure but does he really count? Pouncey is the one that gets after Garrett....Oh, they got him off, and then continued to go after him.. with no-helmet Rudolph (stupid) chasing close behind.
The reality is, there were three Steelers going after Garrett when he swung. Still not condoning it, but hey..
Agreed that Rudolph is lucky. Two very bad decisions that could have lead to a solid concussion.
I think it's a tough sell saying he was trying to get into verbal exchanges.There is a difference between picking a fight and getting into a verbal exchange with some pushing, compared to having your helmet ripped off and getting hit over the head with it. No one in the NFL is signing up to be part of an act like that.
Brady or Rogers wouldn’t have tried to pull Garrett’s helmet off, or went after him afterwards, FWIW. Garrett is an idiot, but he was an idiot with a kid who for some reason felt it necessary to try and fight someone much bigger than them too. Rudolph will just get excused because of what Garrett did was completely unbelievable and horrible. But Rudolph is the whole reason it escalated as far as it did.Part of what’s being lost here is Garrett threw Rudolph to the ground well after the ball was gone.
Imagine if this was not Rudolf but Brady or Aaron Rodgers that was getting smacked in the head with his own helmet. The OUTRAGE would be off the charts.
I need to watch it again honestly. Just going off the few times the replayed.I watched the replay and looking at it again... If you think that 66 and 71 are going after him you're just wrong.... Rudolph goes at him for sure but does he really count? Pouncey is the one that gets after Garrett....
This is well said. I agree with you.Brady or Rogers wouldn’t have tried to pull Garrett’s helmet off, or went after him afterwards, FWIW. Garrett is an idiot, but he was an idiot with a kid who for some reason felt it necessary to try and fight someone much bigger than them too. Rudolph will just get excused because of what Garrett did was completely unbelievable and horrible. But Rudolph is the whole reason it escalated as far as it did.
I haven't seen anyone excuse it, fwiw.
I agree it could be considered a "weapon" but I don't see the point in classifying it. Hell, a punch to the face could have done more damage (if we want to be honest here).
He swung a HELMET at a player (who was not defenseless, if anything antagonizing) and should be suspended.
Really? Do tell...... guy picked a fight and got what was coming.... had his helmet ripped off his head given he was trying to do the same..... that should have been the end of it....... It escalated after Garrett swung on him with the helmetBrady or Rogers wouldn’t have tried to pull Garrett’s helmet off, or went after him afterwards, FWIW. Garrett is an idiot, but he was an idiot with a kid who for some reason felt it necessary to try and fight someone much bigger than them too. Rudolph will just get excused because of what Garrett did was completely unbelievable and horrible. But Rudolph is the whole reason it escalated as far as it did.
Let's keep it clear though.. Didn't take his helmet off and bash him over the head with it. Took his helmet off, got pushed away (or backed off can't remember), and then acted like a moron when said other moron continued to pursue.Maybe "excusing" was the wrong word... Nor am I saying Rudolph didn't have some responsibility in the melee. BUT guys trying to take each other's helmets off is a common occurrence. A guy actually getting someone's helmet off and bashing him over the head with it is not. It's an outrageous act that will get a massive punishment. Heck, just read on Twitter that even Kareem Hunt, of all people, is yelling at Garrett in the locker room...
End of the day both teams will lose players to suspensionI need to watch it again honestly. Just going off the few times the replayed.
Still think it was a terrible decision. Still think a suspension is merited. Can't say that enough
Money says I'd rather take the bottom of a helmet in that manner over a clear right hook from Garrett if I had to pickWell fists are also considered a weapon (Legally speaking) if used in an act of violence. If you think a punch to the face can cause as much damage as a ~5 pound helmet then that’s a whole separate discussion haha.
Really? Do tell...... guy picked a fight and got what was coming.... had his helmet ripped off his head given he was trying to do the same..... that should have been the end of it....... It escalated after Garrett swung on him with the helmet
Let's keep it clear though.. Didn't take his helmet off and bash him over the head with it. Took his helmet off, got pushed away (or backed off can't remember), and then acted like a moron when said other moron continued to pursue.
No one is excusing the smash. No one.
I'm not particularly familiar with suspension logic in the NFL, but the decision making of a player reflect the suspension received?Players have gotten 2-5 games for stomping. Pounce is likely looking at a couple of games for kicking a guy in the head when he’s on the ground and underneath someone else (defenseless). Garrett has to be done for the year, if not more.
This is a terrific TLDR version.The dysfunction of the browns is borderline impressive. Rudolph is an idiot, and Garrett is even stupider. Pouncey will also get suspended.
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No I am saying he didn't take his helmet off and start bashing him with it. There was time in between. Obviously a different situation.I'm confused. Are you saying the helmet didn't hit Rudolph? Because replays show that it did.
I'm not particularly familiar with suspension logic in the NFL, but the decision making of a player reflect the suspension received?
Lots of talk about stomping, which I would assume would be on a defenseless player. Does the fact that Rudolph was deciding to engage and not being defenseless impact?
Money says I'd rather take the bottom of a helmet in that manner over a clear right hook from Garrett if I had to pick
I know for sure that one would have me napping. ?
How can you 'guarantee' that?I can guarantee Garrett was not willingly trying to hit him with the open end of the helmet, more like he got lucky it occurred that way And he didnt crack some guys head open.
If you told me I have the option of taking a punch or helmet to the head, I’m taking the punch every time.
No I am saying he didn't take his helmet off and start bashing him with it. There was time in between. Obviously a different situation.
How can you 'guarantee' that?