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If they had switched teams, Murray would have been all world haha.
Mattingly was great for that handful of years. He is also the best Yankee during a time when cable and tv watching boomed.
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Mattingly was great for that handful of years. He is also the best Yankee during a time when cable and tv watching boomed.
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So Ozzie Smith isnt a hall of famer?
The rule is "no betting", regardless of team, it's undisputed that he bet on baseball while being in the game; that is a lifetime suspension.
I assure you there are members of the HOF who have broken rules. If we are going to apply that standard than do a sweep and apply it evenly.
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Golden Gloves are vastly underrated.If he says no I might have to block him
While I dont think A. Jones is in, he is super close. We just happened to have been spoiled by so many great CF during that era with Griffey, Edmonds, etc.
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See that is where I struggle. Broken rules sure. Gambling and the game you are playing has always been hallowed ground.
There are surely worse, but that one should be above fray.
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Still the best catch I ever saw in CF
I'm not sure I want to make a case for Ozzie Smith. I never really saw him play and have little perspective as to how he compares with other SS of his era.
Just looking at stats, Ozzie had more hits than Jones and a better average and a better defensive player compared to his contemporaries. But he was never at a
I'm not sure how much credence I give All-Star appearances and especially Gold Glove Awards though so I don't like that I used that as a reference comparing Jones' and Ozzie's HOF cases.
I'm fine letting them in, with a note that they had a positive test. If I remember correctly, Bonds never officially tested positive so that fact he isn't in is just dumb at this point.
Also let Pete in!!
Also let Pete in!!
Maybe it's because I've worked in casino/gambling industry for a while before insurance... I just don't have that much of a problem as long as you are not fixing the outcomes. If he was betting on the Reds to lose I would certainly change my tune. As far as I know there has never been evidence of that.
We have a HOF where the all-time HR leader and all-time hits leader are not in. Pretty much the 2 most important stats offensively. It's so weird to me.
This is all you need for Ozzie Smith. By far the leader in Defensive WAR playing one of the most difficult positions.
HOF person as well. I've been to a few old timers games in Cooperstown and he is always the most gracious w/ his time guy down there.
Absolutely! I love that he has come back and embraced the Cardinals ever since TLR left. He seems like a great human
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Im not sure there has ever been more of a lock of a HOF player than Ozzie Smith.
Exactly. If HR and BA is all people are going on, Derek Jeter wouldnt sniff the hall of fame.
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"Andruw Jones is one of only four players to have won 10 Gold Gloves with 400 career home runs. The others are Willie Mays, Mike Schmidt and Ken Griffey Jr.
The center fielder's 24.2 defensive WAR from 1998-2007 was the best in the game with future Hall of Famer Scott Rolen's 15.1 a not-so-close second. In that stretch, Jones' total 57.6 WAR was third in baseball behind only Alex Rodriguez and Barry Bonds."
Andruw 100% should be in. I think people forget just how damn good he was in CF.
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From 98-2006 or maybe 2007 he was really really good. He was an accumulator near the end. Im not sure he is a HOF personally, but he was close. The biggest thing with Jones is there have long been rumors of PEDs by some. His arrest for domestic abuse. He was virtually done by the age of 30.
I'm not on either side of the Bonds saga, however, every time I hear or read about how it was never proven blah, blah, I think of these pictures.
I don't really think you will find many people who disagree as to whether or not he took PEDs.
So in my version of the Hall I would include Posada. He's the 3rd best catcher of his era. Piazza is in the conversation for best Catcher ever, and Ivan Rodriguez, while a great defender and MVP winner, is probably a bit overrated as the back half of his career really was unremarkable.
Posada is helped by the fact that he was a career Yankee and won 4 rings with them. He won silver sluggers, and had a handful of all-star appearances. The biggest factor for me, and why I feel he was overlooked and underrated is that he had a run from 2000-2007 where he was arguably the best C in the AL. I think if you're one of the best at your position for that long, you should be in the hall. And just because he didn't play 21 seasons that shouldn't count against him. I think Posada has just as good, if not better, argument for the hall than Gary Carter or Carlton Fisk.
