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On the Fringe
Great posts guys. Hard to argue with the logic here
Whew! Thank god mine is 45*, lol
I think JB sums this up the best. Redbird, I also want you to know that I completely respect your stance and I am glad that you are having this discussion in a civil manner. Up until about two years ago I wouldn't play anything that wasn't forged and anything that looked too beefy. From late 2006-2008 I had Nike's Forged CCi irons in my bag. I loved the way they looked, loved the way they felt, but I can tell you without a doubt that from 150 yards I was hitting a 7iron. When I transitioned into my X22's, which I don't really consider all jacked up in loft, yet still they had more than traditional players irons, I was shocked when I was hitting a smooth 8iron that distance. The accuracy I gained was tremendous. Personally, making that switch is what helped get my handicap to mid single digits and that transition alone.
Golf is a game of social credit, whether we like to admit it or not. There are those of us who won't be caught dead with a stand bag, those of us who don't invest in golf shoes, those of us that can't stand to look down at a thick topline with offset on an iron. It's just the way it is. We all preach about going and being fit for what's the best for us, yet I'd be willing to bet that over 90% of us truly don't hit everything there is b/c quite frankly, there's just some things that will never make it into any of our bags. An 8 iron is an 8 iron in your set just like it is in mine, at least imo.
Which is comical in itself because those same people have no issues with a 13* 3 wood, a longer shafted driver and 3 wood and lower lofted drivers. The truth is that these same people want to play blades and players cavitys that are usually not strong lofted. And because of that do not like to have people hit a 7 iron longer because they are immediately quick to point out that its not a 7 iron. Well what happens when you run out of irons? I still hit my 4 iron or 3 iron further then my old 3 iron and the traditional lofted are out of irons.
I just do not understand the fascinated with traditional lofted if it makes someone more confident to have a strong lofted club. You can say my 8 iron is a 7 iron, and I sir will call you a liar. It says 8 iron on the bottom. If you think that it has to be a 7 iron because the loft is what some consider normal for that number, then I say go back to hickory shafts, wooden drivers, and other aspects of the game that have changed due to technological advances. Lofts got dropped because weight was moved around FIRST, not because of a simple (you will hit it further) argument. Just like shafts got longer in drivers because of weight and head size, NOT because of a simple (you will hit it further) argument. Those are both things that came with the technology movement. And of course how offset affects the launch angle of the iron head is another whole side that I wont get into here because this is just not the place for it.
My playing a 45.5" driver and someone else playing a 44" driver is that like saying mine is a 1 + wood, because its longer and it was not the case before? I find the whole argument just crazy that because the lofts are stronger in a category of irons, it is not accepted as the number stamped on it. That is quite funny to me. But in the end, I try to get good information from some of the most well known club makers and when they explain that moving weight to increase forgiveness meant it HAD to be done in some irons, I accept that (especially when they are not selling any irons right now) as a technology advance just like lighter weight in drivers without losing balance, the graphite shaft, etc....