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Totally agree. The internet people are the worst sometimes.
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The walking dead
The show really has evolved and really hasn't been about the zombies in ages. It started out that way but now they're just basically background filler. Yes, they are there but the 6+ seasons the show has been on really hasn't been about surviving the zombies but more about surviving the other humans.
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Neagan is beyond evil. That was a intense episode.
Missed last night's episode, but had in my mind Aberham and Glenn time would be over . Glenn was one of my favorite characters besides Daryl hoping another character like him comes along this season. From the previews I saw seems like the zombie theme is being aired less. Excited they confirmed a season 8 coming.
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They may have turned Negan into one of the greatest villains in modern history. Right up there with Darth Vader and the Joker. Wow. That had to be one of the most intense episodes of any shows ever on TV. The violence was brutal. It's one thing to have it depicted with zombies, but to have it done to living characters was very hard to watch. Worse than last years episode when the Wolves invades Alexandria and started slashing everyone.
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what are they butt hurt about?
i thought it was a very good episode. i had a feeling pretty early on that negan was going to make rick do something awful. the show loves to play with religion, and obviously the abraham (that's a bit on the nose, isn't it?!)/isaac thing is a nice play. i would have to watch the episode again to pick up on any other religious themes, but that would mean i would have to watch the episode again and i'm not sure i can handle it!
glenn had to go. his time was up and his character just wasn't interesting anymore imho. negan taking out abraham made a lot of sense. personally i think it would have played better if negan had chosen a woman. no one is safe, and no taboo still exists.
should be a great season. this show only works when they are either working toward a cure which doesn't seem like it will ever happen, or when there is an evil threat to the group. negan is a baaaaaaad dude.
edited to add that i actually think the characters who were killed weren't really worth the cliffhanger/payoff. but breaking rick was done perfectly and was the best part of the show.
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Glenn dying. Too much violence. The shows turned into gore porn. It should have concluded last uear with them dying. Etc. just a bunch of people wining.
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I'm glad that we had to wait to see who got killed instead of just doing it in the season finale. People nowadays just feel entitled to know everything and don't know the first thing about patience. When I was young I had to wait a full year to see if Fonzie made the water ski jump over the shark and didn't had the internet to give us spoilers. People today just want instant gratification and I'm glad they didn't give it!
I am very glad my TV can change channels or I can leave the room, my wife is a huge fan and I watched until the bad guy(?) decided to pummel the 1st guys head in. Why is this needed on any show? and the producers took great pleasure in making it as graphic as possible.
I get the Zombie part to some extend, they do bad things to good people or whatever the theme is suppose to be, but that whole scene was way over the top and I am not a sheltered person by any extend.
Any way enjoy the show.....
I get the Zombie part to some extend, they do bad things to good people or whatever the theme is suppose to be, but that whole scene was way over the top and I am not a sheltered person by any extend.
Any way enjoy the show.....
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Don't ever read the graphic novels the show is based around then. The show was built on being out there, and in a large way.
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It was pretty gruesome but needed to show just how sick and twisted Negan is and a post apocalyptic, lawless world has become. Implying it does not have the same effect IMHO.
But that's the point. Zombies are mindless animals. They are dangerous but not the real threat. The greater theme is about surviving the other human survivors. The show is really about how humans react when humanity is gone. It's anarchy. To quote Thomas Hobbes, life in an anarchic state is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.
I hear you, but movies and books and comics and music are rife with the same content. This isn't on prime time basic cable.
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Thanks for the info, I still will not be watching it. There is enough horror everyday on the streets now without that kind of stuff being shown on TV where kids (and I am sure there are millions watching) see this kind of behavior. We would hope they know it is wrong (and get the underlying message) and would not try it on a another kid but these things tend to happen.
Again I am NOT about censorship and anyone telling us what to watch, etc. But are we now this twisted a society that this is entertainment?
I realize it is to show the horror that humans are, but a simple wack and your dead would have worked just as well or a bullet. Again I am not a sheltered or easily upset person by real gore, but that was just way over the top for me on TV.
As a side note the wife loved the show and watches the after show about the show so I am most likely in the minority and that is fine. Change the channel or read a book no problem. Now back to my kind of entertainment...Seinfeld
Again I am NOT about censorship and anyone telling us what to watch, etc. But are we now this twisted a society that this is entertainment?
I realize it is to show the horror that humans are, but a simple wack and your dead would have worked just as well or a bullet. Again I am not a sheltered or easily upset person by real gore, but that was just way over the top for me on TV.
As a side note the wife loved the show and watches the after show about the show so I am most likely in the minority and that is fine. Change the channel or read a book no problem. Now back to my kind of entertainment...Seinfeld
Fwiw, I understand what you're saying. It's a gory show. I stopped watching a few years ago because I felt like it was gore for the sake of gore. I think its actually boring. I thought the 1st, 2nd, and the 3rd seasons were appointment television.
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If so, the episode wouldn't have been finished
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Excellent Story in the WSJ. What a great point.
On Negan’s personality and perspective:
“I never got the sense that he was crazy. If you look at what Rick and his group have done, [they] attacked an outpost and killed 22 saviors in their sleep. That’s pretty brutal if you take it out of the context of identifying with Rick. I think there is a weird, alternate universe, from Negan’s perspective, [where] Rick is a pretty bad guy. Negan’s rules …that’s how he’s been able to survive. Every one of these people have done, in their perspective, they’ve done something right — because they’re still around.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016...greg-nicotero-defends-brutal-season-premiere/
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On Negan’s personality and perspective:
“I never got the sense that he was crazy. If you look at what Rick and his group have done, [they] attacked an outpost and killed 22 saviors in their sleep. That’s pretty brutal if you take it out of the context of identifying with Rick. I think there is a weird, alternate universe, from Negan’s perspective, [where] Rick is a pretty bad guy. Negan’s rules …that’s how he’s been able to survive. Every one of these people have done, in their perspective, they’ve done something right — because they’re still around.”
http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2016...greg-nicotero-defends-brutal-season-premiere/
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although i think they have already strayed too far away from this, i love the idea of painting rick as the bad guy and our group as the evil group. but our group would never brutalize defenseless people, which is why i think that theme won't work here.
I've watched every episode and never been bothered by the excessive violence, but I found this episode hard to watch. Very disturbing. We've seen human vs human nastiness before, but this was tough for me, which I wasn't expecting
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I have some thoughts after watching the episode last night, and reading the last couple pages.
First and foremost, people need to grow up. Yes, opinions vary and emotions run deep when you engage in strong writing over the course of many years. If people didn't want Glenn to die, or they didn't want it to be gruesome, it's their frigging right to not want that. This "butt hurt" nonsense is SO old, and so arrogant. It's a simpler way of saying "their opinion isn't mine and that makes them whiny and stupid." So please stop.
To the episode, I was pretty pissed off that Glenn got whacked. He's been a great character to develop over the years, and I thought he'd have much better exit than a Daryl meltdown 'no exceptions' result. I'm not engaged with the comics or where the real story goes, so it doesn't really resonate that his character went beyond his appropriate timeline... I just think he could have gone out with a much bigger bang.
This reminds me a lot of Sons of Anarchy when they removed one of the MAJOR characters deep into the series in a brutal way (spoiler-free for those who haven't seen it). I watched that and stopped with the series for quite a while after that, because you grow connected to these characters and want to see them succeed. It's called compassion, not butt hurt (for those who seem to be confused). I never know whether it's great writing or whether it's shock value to keep things interesting, but I'll tell you what.... Had the axe dropped, I probably would have given up on this one for a while. Very, very smart to do what they did.
I'll admit I'm curious to see where the show goes from here. It's funny that we've gone from 'being afraid of zombies' to 'living on a farm' to fighting straight up lunatics. We're a long way from a hospital bed and a couple walkers.
First and foremost, people need to grow up. Yes, opinions vary and emotions run deep when you engage in strong writing over the course of many years. If people didn't want Glenn to die, or they didn't want it to be gruesome, it's their frigging right to not want that. This "butt hurt" nonsense is SO old, and so arrogant. It's a simpler way of saying "their opinion isn't mine and that makes them whiny and stupid." So please stop.
To the episode, I was pretty pissed off that Glenn got whacked. He's been a great character to develop over the years, and I thought he'd have much better exit than a Daryl meltdown 'no exceptions' result. I'm not engaged with the comics or where the real story goes, so it doesn't really resonate that his character went beyond his appropriate timeline... I just think he could have gone out with a much bigger bang.
This reminds me a lot of Sons of Anarchy when they removed one of the MAJOR characters deep into the series in a brutal way (spoiler-free for those who haven't seen it). I watched that and stopped with the series for quite a while after that, because you grow connected to these characters and want to see them succeed. It's called compassion, not butt hurt (for those who seem to be confused). I never know whether it's great writing or whether it's shock value to keep things interesting, but I'll tell you what.... Had the axe dropped, I probably would have given up on this one for a while. Very, very smart to do what they did.
I'll admit I'm curious to see where the show goes from here. It's funny that we've gone from 'being afraid of zombies' to 'living on a farm' to fighting straight up lunatics. We're a long way from a hospital bed and a couple walkers.