Game improvement irons are specifically designed to assist mid-to-high handicap golfers in making the game easier. Generally speaking, they are built to provide additional forgiveness, launch, and speed, allowing weekend warriors to enjoy the game more even when their swings are not finely tuned. Surprisingly, some of these designs have a fade bias in the long irons. TaylorMade has identified this issue, and they have devised a solution to it with their all-new Qi irons.
“Qi irons represent a fusion of performance and design, delivering a combination of distance and accuracy with a solid feel unexpected of game improvement irons. We rely on a team of technologies to make this possible with the ultimate goal of giving golfers straight distance that outperforms the competition.” – Matt Bovee, Director of Product Creation, Irons
As part of the Qi irons, TaylorMade introduces their new Integrated System Design, essentially multiple pieces of technology that work together to help create a special performing set of clubs. As we break down each piece of technology, know that each complements the other to help bring straighter distance, higher launch, and a better feel.
For the Qi irons, it all starts with the face. TaylorMade engineers are tackling the fade bias problem commonly found in game improvement irons, specifically in long irons. Part of this problem arises due to the iron face’s shape, where the toe is more elevated than the heel, leading to increased flex in the toe and faster rebound in the heel. For this reason, every face on the new Qi irons has been individually optimized. TaylorMade R&D is confident in their efforts to control the face’s flexibility, thereby reducing unwanted cut spin.
TaylorMade has taken steps to reduce cut spin by redesigning the face of their irons. Each iron in the set has a unique face designed to produce specific results. The long irons feature an organic face design with the thinnest part of the face on the heel side and the thickest part along the bottom from center to toe, with the high toe section being the middle ground for thickness. By placing the thickest part of the face towards the toe, players can expect to achieve straighter distance thanks to this reduction in cut spin.
When moving up to the middle and scoring irons, the face geometry continues to shift. For these clubs, the thickest area is concentrated more in the mid to upper toe section. There are certainly more similarities between the topography of the middle and scoring irons than those of the long irons. However, each has its nuances to ensure it’s designed to deliver peak performance.
TaylorMade irons are well-known for their innovative use of Speed Pocket technology in their game improvement and player’s distance category irons. Like the iron faces, the Speed Pocket has been carefully crafted for each iron, with the longer irons featuring a thicker Speed Pocket in the middle to optimize launch properties. Meanwhile, the mid irons feature a uniformly thin Speed Pocket across the sole. Notably, the scoring clubs do not have the Speed Pocket.
FLTD CG is an essential piece of technology in both TaylorMade’s P790 and P770 irons. With each Qi iron individually crafted for specific performance, it only makes sense that they finally incorporated this design within their game improvement irons. FLTD CG is TaylorMade’s way of moving the center of gravity in specific locations to help improve launch conditions throughout the set. In the long irons, the center of gravity has been shifted lower to help increase launch, while it has been raised in the scoring clubs for increased control and additional spin.
To enhance the overall feel of the Qi irons, TaylorMade uses HYBRAR Echo Dampeners, which, once again, are designed individually for each iron head. These Echo dampeners sit behind the face and are connected to the heel and toe of the club. According to TaylorMade, these dampeners will remove unwanted vibrations and help deliver a forged-like iron feel.
Finally, we again see a multi-material Cap Back design, which helps save some weight from a more traditional backing. Besides weight, one of the other advantages of using this Cap Back is that by not simply attaching a badge, the face can flex more freely and produce a faster iron.
On top of all the tech that TaylorMade has rolled into the Qi irons, they have also undergone some shaping refinements from previous generations of game improvement irons. For starters, the overall blade length has increased by 1mm, allowing the club to gain extra stability and escalating the MOI. They have also manipulated the sole design, mainly focusing on lowering the leading edge, which golfers will notice more in the longer and mid-irons. With a lower leading edge, the Qi irons help promote consistent contact and increased launch.
TaylorMade’s Qi range comprises two distinct iron sets, the standard Qi and the Qi HL, which stands for High and Light. Qi HL distinguishes itself from the traditional set by incorporating weaker lofts, nearly 2° across the board, a lighter head design, and other weight-saving components. Overall, the Qi HL is 26 grams lighter than the standard Qi, rendering it an attractive option for golfers who may lack the speed required to achieve optimal performance with the Qi range. As such, the Qi HL model may be an excellent fit for golfers seeking a set of irons that offer high performance and low weight.
The Details
Preorder: January 9, 2024
In Stores: February 2, 2024
Shafts: Qi :
KBS Max 85, Fujikura Ventus Blue TR (7s, 6r, 5a)
HL: KBS Max Lite, Fujikura Speeder NX TCS 50
These look nice. A few years back I tested the M5 and M6 7i. I got along well with those, but haven’t paid much attention to the SIM and Stealth iron releases. I will take these for a waggle.
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These look pretty good but I hope they don’t discontinue the Stealth HD.
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They’re not discontinued yet but you can’t custom order or buy individual irons anymore on the site. You can only buy stock sets.
This is the only caveat of new releases.
I was looking at the specs of these irons. There are 6 degrees of loft separation between the 9-PW-AW. I don’t recall ever seeing gaps that big before.
CLUB 4 5 6 7 8 9 PW AW SW LW
LOFT 18.5° 21.0° 24.0° 28.0° 32.0° 37.0° 43.0° 49.0° 54.0° 59.0°
[QUOTE=”Thrillbilly Jim, post: 12064533, member: 50607″]
I was looking at the specs of these irons. There are 6 degrees of loft separation between the 9-PW-AW. I don’t recall ever seeing gaps that big before.
CLUB 4 5 6 7 8 9 PW AW SW LW
LOFT 18.5° 21.0° 24.0° 28.0° 32.0° 37.0° 43.0° 49.0° 54.0° 59.0°
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I never understood the regular Stealth gapping either which is similar to these if not exact. 2 1/2 degrees between the 4 and 5 iron and 3 degrees between 5 and 6 iron. Then 6 degrees between 9-AW which you alluded to. TM needed to do like Callaway and Ping with strong loft irons and add another wedge.
[QUOTE=”Hacker67, post: 12065399, member: 71565″]
I never understood the regular Stealth gapping either which is similar to these if not exact. 2 1/2 degrees between the 4 and 5 iron and 3 degrees between 5 and 6 iron. Then 6 degrees between 9-AW which you alluded to. TM needed to do like Callaway and Ping with strong loft irons and add another wedge.
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I want to try these, but I have a feeling it might be like the Wilson DYNAPWR irons. Do I need a 205+ yard 7 iron? And, what would the gaps between clubs look like.
Just received this email saying the price of these have dropped.
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Is this the fastest mainstream product to get discounted in a while? It’s rather shocking
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Just received this email saying the price of these have dropped.
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That is a pretty damn quick price correction.
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Is this the fastest mainstream product to get discounted in a while? It’s rather shocking
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That was my Q: just how rare is a price drop *that* fast from one of the heavy hitters like TM? Does anything else come to mind like this, a price drop after a few days? Was wondering what kind of precedence there might be in recent memory for something like this
[QUOTE=”rlew, post: 12126570, member: 23151″]
That was my Q: just how rare is a price drop *that* fast from one of the heavy hitters like TM? Does anything else come to mind like this, a price drop after a few days? Was wondering what kind of precedence there might be in recent memory for something like this
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I’m sure it has happened with a correction, but off the top of my head I can’t remember one. [USER=782]@ddec[/USER] do you?
[QUOTE=”rlew, post: 12126570, member: 23151″]
That was my Q: just how rare is a price drop *that* fast from one of the heavy hitters like TM? Does anything else come to mind like this, a price drop after a few days? Was wondering what kind of precedence there might be in recent memory for something like this
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I hope zero and that it’s some sort of misprint or something. They have been out a week give or take a few days?
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I’m sure it has happened with a correction, but off the top of my head I can’t remember one. [USER=782]@ddec[/USER] do you?
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Off the top of my head I can’t remember one. I mean they were on presale but they have only been in stores for 4 days. That’s a very quick trigger.
[QUOTE=”ddec, post: 12126558, member: 782″]
That is a pretty damn quick price correction.
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The base price now is $999.99.
[QUOTE=”Thrillbilly Jim, post: 12126596, member: 50607″]
The base price now is $999.99.
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I know. It was $1099…it’s taken 4 days of retail to drop it 100
That’s an insanely fast drop…
[QUOTE=”Muchmore, post: 12126600, member: 56094″]
That’s an insanely fast drop…
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right? I mean the hot list ink isn’t even dry and now they need white out
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right? I mean the hot list ink isn’t even dry and now they need white out
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My guess is Ai Smoke pricing being the trigger.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 12126954, member: 3″]
My guess is Ai Smoke pricing being the trigger.
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that makes a lot of sense. I don’t see enough attractiveness in the story of these irons to make them sit about other “core” irons. It’s still shocking to me that they made this adjustment so early.
price talk aside…has anyone gotten to hit these? I was doing some long iron work last night in the garage, and this set is supposed to be made to make those long irons play easier and better for us mid cap golfers.
[QUOTE=”ddec, post: 12127423, member: 782″]
price talk aside…has anyone gotten to hit these? I was doing some long iron work last night in the garage, and this set is supposed to be made to make those long irons play easier and better for us mid cap golfers.
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I looked at them on a shelf at PGA SS last week, but thats it.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 12127444, member: 1579″]
I looked at them on a shelf at PGA SS last week, but thats it.
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I’ll be honest, I looked at the Qi driver and fairway this past week, but didn’t see these. It’s been pretty quiet on the iron front.
[QUOTE=”ddec, post: 12127451, member: 782″]
I’ll be honest, I looked at the Qi driver and fairway this past week, but didn’t see these. It’s been pretty quiet on the iron front.
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It feels to me like this segment is in a downslide in general. It’s all just so stale. Release a driver, release a GI set of irons with the same name. Year after year. Boring.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12127803, member: 1193″]
It feels to me like this segment is in a downslide in general. It’s all just so stale. Release a driver, release a GI set of irons with the same name. Year after year. Boring.
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I mean, you aren’t wrong.
Really shocking for irons come down that quick but definitely have to think that’s to counter the AI Smoke. Plus maybe it’s just me but TM has come off too corporate/equipment in bulk the last few years. Like not saying the quality isn’t fine but it feels like it might be taking a slight back seat to marketing. Consumers notice that stuff.
They’re back to $999 and believe the Qi HL will replace the Stealth HD.
Has anyone tried the MMT 125 shafts in these?
Has anybody purchased these?
Im curious what their thoughts are on the sound/feel?
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Has anybody purchased these?
Im curious what their thoughts are on the sound/feel?
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Can’t speak first hand but a good bud who has been Callaway loyalist for quite some time just bagged these. He was astounded by distance and increased elevation. He gained a club yet also increased his descent angle. Makes me want to give them a try and I’ve not been a TM fan.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 12183120, member: 3″]
Has anybody purchased these?
Im curious what their thoughts are on the sound/feel?
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I purchased the AI smokes with $ Taper shafts and hated them, could have been the shafts but i hit left way too much. Last set was Stealths with C Taper. I traded the Smokes in and ordered the QI with Project X. I hit them great on monitor, should recieve them end of next week. Should’ve kept the Stealths, lol but excited for these.
So it turns out I won my first IG contest and won fitting and a set of Qi-10 irons from WorldWide Golf.
I’m in communication with their team to figure out the best day for me to head down to Lexington to be fit at one of their Edwin Watts locations. I’m not sure what the time line will look like but I’ll definitely give some feedback on sound/feel/performance etc once I have them in hand. I don’t know that the Qi-10 irons will be a great fit for me but I’m excited to run them through their paces and give some feedback on them.
Really curious to find out what shafts I’ll end up in. It doesn’t look like my usual Recoil 95s are on the fitting cart for TM.
The biggest improvement I see from the Stealths to the Qi irons is TM lowering the COG .686 on the long irons and raising the COG on the shorter irons. Flighting the shorter irons is a breeze now and the higher COG is better for pitches and chip shots. I’m old school with a PW or 9 iron around the green so this is a warm welcome as opposed to the Stealths which I had no control around the green. It’s nice to see TM not just being obsessed with distance but also considering control.
The extra length on the blade is not gimmicky and loses very little ball speed or dispersion when hit out on the toe. According to TM, the sweet spot is 14% larger because of the longer blade and I can attest to that.
Back to the long irons, TM did something with the toe flexing similar to the heel which is supposed to alleviate the dreaded long iron to the right shot. It’s not draw bias but is supposed to cut down on that side spin that causes the right miss on long irons. Even coming OTT with the 5 iron I was just getting baby fades as opposed to being in the other fairway.
There may be a tad more offset than the Stealth which doesn’t bother me as it just ensures my hands are in front of the blade ( especially useful for chipping). I know for some they swear offset is hook machines for them, keep in mind it’s not Big Bertha offset but there is some offset. The top line and sole look the same to me.
I like the hint of chrome on top but keeping the rest of the head matte silver. They don’t suffer from the mostly chrome Smoke irons that look like they’re 3 years old after 3 rounds.
TM recommends the Qi HL if your 7 iron SS is 75 or less, I’m around 75- 80 and I think they’re being conservative with that 75 SS. But as always try before you buy. I also don’t think they’re any longer than the Stealths and they don’t need to be, they already mastered the distance but now just added the control to go with it.
Nice to see TM not try to reinvent the wheel but just build on what was already successful.
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So it turns out I won my first IG contest and won fitting and a set of Qi-10 irons from WorldWide Golf.
I’m in communication with their team to figure out the best day for me to head down to Lexington to be fit at one of their Edwin Watts locations. I’m not sure what the time line will look like but I’ll definitely give some feedback on sound/feel/performance etc once I have them in hand. I don’t know that the Qi-10 irons will be a great fit for me but I’m excited to run them through their paces and give some feedback on them.
Really curious to find out what shafts I’ll end up in. It doesn’t look like my usual Recoil 95s are on the fitting cart for TM.
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I’m headed down to Lexington on Monday to get fit for this set. I’ll be honest I’m a little curious about what I’ll see with these. I know they are going to be a lot easier to hit than the 243’s I’m currently gaming.
I bet they end up playing a lot like my 923 HMP’s did. I had a great time with those irons for quite a while. Ultimately I decided to go with the 243’s because I was getting better peak height, spin, and holding greens better, so that along with the looks of a more compact CB were very appealing to me.
There will be adjustments for sure but once I get the Qi irons in I do plan on playing them semi-frequently and jumpstarting this thread with plenty of feedback.
Is anyone else currently gaming these? What am I in for? I saw your feedback [USER=71565]@Hacker67[/USER] and appreciate you chiming in.
Some stats:
My 7i swing speed is currently 82-85 mph.
Spin sits around 5500-6k.
I had the Qi fitting yesterday and it could not have gone worse. It wasn’t them it was me. After driving 2 hours to Lexington my hips were so stiff and I guess I didn’t give myself enough time to get loose.
I’m not going to mince words here after playing MP 243 for several month the visual of standing over these was jarring they are HUGE. I’m a graphite shaft player but the stock options for graphite were light in both variety and weight. I couldn’t get a good feel for where the clubhead was in my swing and as a result tempo was sporadic and so was contact.
Out of 40-50 shots I think I found the center of the club face 6-7 times. Those 6-7 shots felt and sounded so weird. That was jarring as well. The rest of the time it was an actual shank-fest that I probably (hopefully) could never replicate if I tried. It was truly special. I’m sure it didn’t help that with the already more offset Qi iron the fitting adapter on the head was also gigantic. I got frustrated and there was just no coming back from it.
Finally I just told the fitter I’m sorry I obviously just don’t have it today and just told him to order me 4-Aw in Ventus TR 7s shafts and I’d figure out if I’m going to have the courage to unbox and play them when they arrive.
I’m sure they are perfectly good clubs I just had a tight and scared swing that was not a good reflection of my ability.
We’ll see what happens I’ve got a few weeks to a month till they are delivered and I’ll need to figure it out.
[QUOTE=”That post, post: 12318533, member: 65950″]
I had the Qi fitting yesterday and it could not have gone worse. It wasn’t them it was me. After driving 2 hours to Lexington my hips were so stiff and I guess I didn’t give myself enough time to get loose.
I’m not going to mince words here after playing MP 243 for several month the visual of standing over these was jarring they are HUGE. I’m a graphite shaft player but the stock options for graphite were light in both variety and weight. I couldn’t get a good feel for where the clubhead was in my swing and as a result tempo was sporadic and so was contact.
Out of 40-50 shots I think I found the center of the club face 6-7 times. It was an actual shank-fest that I probably (hopefully) could never replicate if I tried. It was truly special. I’m sure it didn’t help that with the already more offset Qi iron the fitting adapter on the head was also gigantic. I got frustrated and there was just no coming back from it.
Finally I just told the fitter I’m sorry I obviously just don’t have it today and just told him to order me 4-Aw in Ventus TR 7s shafts and I’d figure out if I’m going to have the courage to unbox and play them when they arrive.
I’m sure they are perfectly good clubs I just had a tight and scared swing that was not a good reflection of my ability.
We’ll see what happens I’ve got a few weeks to a month till they are delivered and I’ll need to figure it out.
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Compared looks of a bunch of irons in hand recently and man, you are right, they are huge. When having them side by side with some competitors in that GI group, they don’t compare favorably in terms of size and shaping. At least not to me.
[QUOTE=”ddec, post: 12318546, member: 782″]
Compared looks of a bunch of irons in hand recently and man, you are right, they are huge. When having them side by side with some competitors in that GI group, they don’t compare favorably in terms of size and shaping. At least not to me.
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Now imagine that with a fitting adapter the size of a magic marker. ?
Again, it was me and my swing that didn’t do them any service at all but man it was such a different visual for me. I couldn’t convince myself to try to ‘take a divot’ I was too timid and just kept trying to pick them off the mat.
[QUOTE=”That post, post: 12318557, member: 65950″]
Now imagine that with a fitting adapter the size of a magic marker. ?
Again, it was me and my swing that didn’t do them any service at all but man it was such a different visual for me. I couldn’t convince myself to try to ‘take a divot’ I was too timid and just kept trying to pick them off the mat.
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I read this latest series of posts backwards and was so confused until I saw the original reference to winning a contest. I’m sitting like “what the hell is he doing this for?” lol
[QUOTE=”That post, post: 12318557, member: 65950″]
Now imagine that with a fitting adapter the size of a magic marker. ?
Again, it was me and my swing that didn’t do them any service at all but man it was such a different visual for me. I couldn’t convince myself to try to ‘take a divot’ I was too timid and just kept trying to pick them off the mat.
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yeah no thanks. Like you said, they might be really good irons and probably work for many, but the look was just not evolved enough for me considering the other options out there.
[QUOTE=”Hawk, post: 12318561, member: 1193″]
I read this latest series of posts backwards and was so confused until I saw the original reference to winning a contest. I’m sitting like “what the hell is he doing this for?” lol
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Hahaha… I can imagine how much of a golf masochist you thought I was. ?
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Hahaha… I can imagine how much of a golf masochist you thought I was. ?
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I’ve seen some weird things over the years, but it had my eyebrows going overtime.
Got a package delivered today. I’m going to take them out this weekend.
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I had the Qi fitting yesterday and it could not have gone worse. It wasn’t them it was me. After driving 2 hours to Lexington my hips were so stiff and I guess I didn’t give myself enough time to get loose.
I’m not going to mince words here after playing MP 243 for several month the visual of standing over these was jarring they are HUGE. I’m a graphite shaft player but the stock options for graphite were light in both variety and weight. I couldn’t get a good feel for where the clubhead was in my swing and as a result tempo was sporadic and so was contact.
Out of 40-50 shots I think I found the center of the club face 6-7 times. Those 6-7 shots felt and sounded so weird. That was jarring as well. The rest of the time it was an actual shank-fest that I probably (hopefully) could never replicate if I tried. It was truly special. I’m sure it didn’t help that with the already more offset Qi iron the fitting adapter on the head was also gigantic. I got frustrated and there was just no coming back from it.
Finally I just told the fitter I’m sorry I obviously just don’t have it today and just told him to order me 4-Aw in Ventus TR 7s shafts and I’d figure out if I’m going to have the courage to unbox and play them when they arrive.
I’m sure they are perfectly good clubs I just had a tight and scared swing that was not a good reflection of my ability.
We’ll see what happens I’ve got a few weeks to a month till they are delivered and I’ll need to figure it out.
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Was wondering how you were going to make change from 243 irons.
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Was wondering how you were going to make change from 243 irons.
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Yeah it wasn’t good at all but it was me putting bad swings on them and swinging scared. Since the fitting, I’ve found the swing again and have been playing good golf last week.
I’m by no means moving on from 243. These will be the fun set I put in the bag every so often.
The immediate plan is to put the 4&5 in the bag. I’m only playing 14 clubs currently and I often find myself wanting a low lofted iron to punchout with. I’ll bench the Cobra 5h to see what we have with the Qi 5 iron. I’m not sure when I plan to get the whole set out. Maybe Sunday or Monday for my rounds with my granddaughter.
[QUOTE=”That post, post: 12318533, member: 65950″]
I had the Qi fitting yesterday and it could not have gone worse. It wasn’t them it was me. After driving 2 hours to Lexington my hips were so stiff and I guess I didn’t give myself enough time to get loose.
I’m not going to mince words here after playing MP 243 for several month the visual of standing over these was jarring they are HUGE. I’m a graphite shaft player but the stock options for graphite were light in both variety and weight. I couldn’t get a good feel for where the clubhead was in my swing and as a result tempo was sporadic and so was contact.
Out of 40-50 shots I think I found the center of the club face 6-7 times. Those 6-7 shots felt and sounded so weird. That was jarring as well. The rest of the time it was an actual shank-fest that I probably (hopefully) could never replicate if I tried. It was truly special. I’m sure it didn’t help that with the already more offset Qi iron the fitting adapter on the head was also gigantic. I got frustrated and there was just no coming back from it.
Finally I just told the fitter I’m sorry I obviously just don’t have it today and just told him to order me 4-Aw in Ventus TR 7s shafts and I’d figure out if I’m going to have the courage to unbox and play them when they arrive.
I’m sure they are perfectly good clubs I just had a tight and scared swing that was not a good reflection of my ability.
We’ll see what happens I’ve got a few weeks to a month till they are delivered and I’ll need to figure it out.
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I wouldn’t be able to swing either with a shaft 25 grams lighter than what I’m accustomed to.
C dimensions
Qi 1.446
Stealth 1.414
MP 243 1.232
Yeah, I imagine they did look HUGE from where you were coming from.
I love my Qi irons the forgiveness and dispersion are off-the-charts great for me.
Good Luck with them.