It’s time to go Rogue, or perhaps as Callaway is phrasing it, “Think Speed. Go Rogue.”
After a release cycle away, where Callaway introduced the Mavrik lineup, Rogue is back, but if you are thinking it’s just another “off year release” that isn’t Epic, you might want to reassess that.
Callaway is pulling no punches here, and though the Rogue line may have a slightly different target in some respects than Epic, this is still them bringing all of their innovations to the table alongside some new ones.
What better place to start than drivers, so let’s get into it!
While the Rogue name is back, there is no denying a lot has changed. Where metalwoods are concerned, the name of the game is stability, and Callaway is utilizing its most extreme weighting technology combined with every other tech which they have pioneered and continue to evolve.
Foremost, every single club in the new Rogue lineup has a unique A.I. face which now takes even more parameters into consideration like speed, launch, and spin robustness through a new optimization formula which means an even more refined face. Make no mistake, Callaway is not at all exaggerating when they say no one is doing club design like they are, and no one is using A.I. like they are.
These drivers have the most extreme weighting tech the company has ever used in a driver, they are using a “Tungsten Speed Cartridge” which uses up to 26g of MIM’d Tungsten, and folks that is a lot of tungsten. This is placed at the very extreme edge of the driver in order to increase speed on off center hits through “ball speed robustness”, which is fancy for minimizing the loss when you miss. Of course, this also helps with making the head more resistant to twisting.
Each driver is also using the new “Speed Tuned Jailbreak Speedframe” which is like what was used in Epic, except more slender with the same balance and stiffness, though some priority is given to further stiffening the lower part of the head.
Finally, the shaping here is a departure from the Cyclone shaping of the Mavrik release, that has gone in favor of a more rearward CG through the use of a “low tail” which looks pretty familiar to be honest, but this does follow the current trend, so it makes a lot of sense to see. It doesn’t mean Cyclone was wrong, this is just a different way to make things happen. This is part of the unibody frame construction that takes from F1 in the notion of making as much of the head one piece as possible while keeping it smooth and thin. It is finished out in all the Rogue drivers with Triaxial Carbon on both the crown and sole.
Even bolder than the tech perhaps, is that Callaway is bringing four different drivers to the Rogue ST MAX lineup. Yes, four.
Callaway Rogue ST MAX D Driver
This one is the most draw biased of the four drivers, it is the club for those who tend to struggle with a slice and need as much shot shape correction as they can get. This naturally has a draw weighted CG and a closed face orientation with the largest footprint to provide the forgiveness, elevation, and directional correction that golfers need without excessive spin.
The MAX D comes in three lofts (9°, 10.5°, 12°) and utilizes the OptiFit adapter. All three heads are also available in RH and LH.
Rogue ST Max Driver Rogue ST Max Driver
Callaway Rogue ST MAX Driver
This is the “sweetspot” driver of the lineup which will fit the largest number of golfers in the segment. It does have a slight draw bias because, believe it or not, that is what most of us need, and this offers the best combination of forgiveness and distance. The Rogue ST Max has the highest MOI of the four models and is somewhat larger but designed to still fit the eye of even the most discerning golfers.
The MAX has three base loft options (9°, 10.5°, 12°) with each using the OptiFit adapter and being available in both RH and LH.
Rogue ST Max LS Driver Rogue ST Max LS Driver
Callaway Rogue ST MAX LS Driver
Ah yes, the Rogue which is aimed at the slightly better player, the golfer which wants to see the ball go right and left at times and can use a more neutral overall bias to do just that. The MAX LS maintains a very high overall MOI thanks to the Tungsten Speed Cartridge but also keeps a lower launch angle and spin rate than the MAX.
The MAX LS also uses the Callaway OptiFit adapter in two loft options (9° and 10.5°) which also are available in both RH and LH.
Rogue ST Max Triple Diamond LS Driver Rogue ST Max Triple Diamond LS Driver
Callaway Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS
Yes, for those who clamor with every single Callaway metalwood release, for this driver release, the Triple Diamond is a regular part of the lineup. Well, as regular as it can be. The Triple Diamond is a 450cc head making it the smallest of the four and has the lowest spin profile with the most neutral to fade bias of the four options. While it still offers all the design bells and whistles of the others, there is no doubt the Triple Diamond is for the smallest segment.
Availability here is in two lofts (9° and 10.5°) with the OptiFit adapter and in both RH an LH.
While it will come as no surprise, Callaway, through their internal and external testing, believes they have created four drivers that will each lead their specific segment in performance. A bold take, absolutely, but the crew at Callaway have never been short of confidence, which they typically back up well.
The Details
Standard shaft options are as follows:
- Lightweight/Womens – Project X Cypher Black (40g, 50g)
- Mid Offering – Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue (50g, 60g, 70g)
- Low Offering – Mitsubishi Tensei AV White (60g, 70g, 80g)
The Rogue ST drivers will be priced at $549.99 and hit retail on 2/18/22. Be sure to keep a keen eye on the THP Community as we will have a lot of feedback beginning today as 12 forum members already have these in hand!
[QUOTE=”GoldenBuff, post: 10368391, member: 25892″]
That’s good. Nice to trust the data more on shape. When you were fit did you have a chance to hit both the max ls and 3d ls? I am personally curious how those compare.
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Those were the only two that I hit and the numbers were fairly similar, but the shot shape definitely favored opposite sides of the course. The max ls definitely had a draw/left bias while the TD LS was a fade/right bias, which I gravitated towards. Had I known about the green dot adapter, I may have tried the max LS in the -2 position, but that’s hindsight. The big difference is a draw vs fade bias. It’s not huge, but it’s noticeable for someone like me who is terrified of losing the ball left!
No reason to change driver headed into next year, but the pictures of the Rogue, plus the talk here, has me wanting to at least try it out.
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No reason to change driver headed into next year, but the pictures of the Rogue, plus the talk here, has me wanting to at least try it out.
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Never hurts to test… or buy ?
[QUOTE=”Golfers Anonymous, post: 10368991, member: 59233″]
Never hurts to test… or buy ?
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That’s my worry 😉
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That’s my worry 😉
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Got a fitting next weekend. Going for driver and irons. When I told my wife… she asked if I signed her up for a fitting as well. Her’s is now right after mine. Could be an expensive day. 😳
[QUOTE=”jmix18, post: 10369010, member: 60984″]
Got a fitting next weekend. Going for driver and irons. When I told my wife… she asked if I signed her up for a fitting as well. Her’s is now right after mine. Could be an expensive day. 😳
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Don’t forget the woods, and putters. Seriously the woods are missile launchers, and the 5k lineup is pretty amazing as far as the feel goes when putting.
[QUOTE=”Golfers Anonymous, post: 10369040, member: 59233″]
Don’t forget the woods, and putters. Seriously the woods are missile launchers, and the 5k lineup is pretty amazing as far as the feel goes when putting.
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Oh the woods are on tap too…. I just don’t want to believe it….
[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10368595, member: 42964″]
Is your Speed TD the LS model or simply Speed TD?
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Standard Triple Diamond. It’s a Tour head with measured loft of 10.5°. I actually thought Rogue TD LS would have been lower spin TBH. A 10G weight in the front would demolish spin.
[QUOTE=”noodle3872, post: 10369274, member: 56″]
Standard Triple Diamond. It’s a Tour head with measured loft of 10.5°. I actually thought Rogue TD LS would have been lower spin TBH. A 10G weight in the front would demolish spin.
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What is the difference between a Tour Speed Triple Diamond and the one by the same name that is still available on the Callaway website?
[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10369336, member: 42964″]
What is the difference between a Tour Speed Triple Diamond and the one by the same name that is still available on the Callaway website?
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Nothing other than I found a Tour head which had been digitally measured for loft, lie and weight. It also had a CT sticker and white dot on the face from CT testing.
I’m going to do some building this week and add an adapter to a Kinetixx Launch and drop that in it as well as a custom PX I have and see where I end up, but so far I think this one might make the bag. Didn’t have an Epic in the bag so a fun change.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 10370166, member: 3″]
I’m going to do some building this week and add an adapter to a Kinetixx Launch and drop that in it as well as a custom PX I have and see where I end up, but so far I think this one might make the bag. Didn’t have an Epic in the bag so a fun change.
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JB – what do you like about it so far that you’re considering giving it a spot in the bag? With the building that’s coming – what are you hoping to achieve? Higher ball fight, better dispersion? And – which spot would it take over?
[QUOTE=”jmix18, post: 10370214, member: 60984″]
JB – what do you like about it so far that you’re considering giving it a spot in the bag? With the building that’s coming – what are you hoping to achieve? Higher ball fight, better dispersion? And – which spot would it take over?
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Similar to what I posted earlier which is the forgiveness I have seen around, specifically low on the face. The consistency across was another factor (mentioned after the round in here).
I don’t change shafts for higher and lower ball flight. For me it’s about centering and squaring and I seem to do that very well with those shafts.
I don’t know if this is the correct thread, but I thought that this was hilarious.
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[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10370240, member: 42964″]
I don’t know if this is the correct thread, but I thought that this was hilarious.
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Shots fired! :ROFLMAO:
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Shots fired! :ROFLMAO:
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It is funny, but it also kind of makes Callaway (Europe) look insecure. Callaway is responding to the driver release narrative that thus far, TaylorMade has controlled, imo.
[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10370255, member: 42964″]
It is funny, but it also kind of makes Callaway (Europe) look insecure. Callaway is responding to the driver release narrative that thus far, TaylorMade has controlled, imo.
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Insecure seems to be a bit of a leap and a hop. Usually the European accounts for club manufacturers are a bit more brash in their social media in the years past for the OEM’s.
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Was able to get this beauty out to the range today and one thing that I think this lineup doesn’t get enough credit for is the stability of the head and face. Really was pleased with the consistency in my shot shape today as it had been a bit since I was able to hit it.
[QUOTE=”Golfers Anonymous, post: 10370343, member: 59233″]
Insecure seems to be a bit of a leap and a hop. Usually the European accounts for club manufacturers are a bit more brash in their social media in the years past for the OEM’s.
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Care to show me some examples?
Adapter is curing on the Kinetixx and PX for some testing this week and figure out which goes in the Max
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 10371041, member: 3″]
Adapter is curing on the Kinetixx and PX for some testing this week and figure out which goes in the Max
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That’s awesome!
I can’t wait to preorder. :love:
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 10371041, member: 3″]
Adapter is curing on the Kinetixx and PX for some testing this week and figure out which goes in the Max
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I keep reading about your success with the Kinetixx. I need to get my hands on one someday. You mention that your PX Is custom. What profile does it lean towards?
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 10371045, member: 1579″]
I can’t wait to preorder. :love:
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What is your setup going to be?
[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10371048, member: 42964″]
What is your setup going to be?
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Plan on throwing down the Max LS vs a couple of the Cobra’s and the new ST-Z
[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10371047, member: 42964″]
I keep reading about your success with the Kinetixx. I need to get my hands on one someday. You mention that your PX Is custom. What profile does it lean towards?
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I would say HZRDUS Red
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 10371041, member: 3″]
Adapter is curing on the Kinetixx and PX for some testing this week and figure out which goes in the Max
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Good stuff!
Put old reliable back in play. The Ventus Red is good. But the GD is great, and has been in 6 drivers since being fit into it. #jonrahmstyle
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Was able to get this beauty out to the range today and one thing that I think this lineup doesn’t get enough credit for is the stability of the head and face. Really was pleased with the consistency in my shot shape today as it had been a bit since I was able to hit it.
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THAT is the one I have my sights set on….
I love the sound of the Max version. That is all…for now!
This thread has me geeked to do a driver fitting. It’s really the only club I haven’t been fit for over the last 12 months.
(I got fit for my full Cobra bag but I’m discounting that only due to the fact it was a one OEM only fitting. And I guess you could include hybrids but I’ve 8/9 months now to be smitten with the Cobras and have no reason to go searching.)
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Was able to get this beauty out to the range today and one thing that I think this lineup doesn’t get enough credit for is the stability of the head and face. Really was pleased with the consistency in my shot shape today as it had been a bit since I was able to hit it.
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Going in to hit that on Saturday. Excited to see where I land on the Rogue spectrum.
Max looks so good at address
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Max looks so good at address
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Yes, yes it does!
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Max looks so good at address
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That crown is so good. I really hadn’t planned on a new driver this year but I keep getting drawn toward these.
Comparisons of the new rogue max to the speed max ?
thanks in advance!
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Definitely need some sim time when I can find it to do some testing.
The Dating Candidates for my ??? LS:
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Thinking the Hulk will be a scramble or open course only shaft, but I’m very curious about what will be the everyday gamer.
Anyone got predictions?
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Definitely need some sim time when I can find it to do some testing.
The Dating Candidates for my ??? LS:
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Thinking the Hulk will be a scramble or open course only shaft, but I’m very curious about what will be the everyday gamer.
Anyone got predictions?
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Damn that is quite a lineup.
Not sure I have a prediction but will be here for the ensuing bombs.
[QUOTE=”baylrballa, post: 10374839, member: 52381″]
Damn that is quite a lineup.
Not sure I have a prediction but will be here for the ensuing bombs.
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Haha bombs will definitely ensue! Fairways however need to be found and that’s where I’m looking for a consistent gamer. If I want bombs, the Hulk is the ultimate swing away! With the Rogue ST LS 3 wood, that may open the door for bombs out of the big dawg. This is going to be fun ?
After an incredibly difficult week and a half I’m ready to get this out to a SIM (hopefully later this week or early next) and to the heated shed (mat/net) set up this week. Gonna post some more thoughts after that. Appreciate all being patient with me.
Also got a Mavrik from CPO that I can test against. Beyond excited for that.
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Definitely need some sim time when I can find it to do some testing.
The Dating Candidates for my ??? LS:
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Thinking the Hulk will be a scramble or open course only shaft, but I’m very curious about what will be the everyday gamer.
Anyone got predictions?
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I think the Smoke green will be your longest, the Linq purple will be your straightest/fairway finder. I think the Kai’li is the wild card and might span both.
[QUOTE=”KEV, post: 10374803, member: 36767″]
That crown is so good. I really hadn’t planned on a new driver this year but I keep getting drawn toward these.
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that makes two of us. I told friends in December I wasn’t switching because my fitting said my gamer was perfect for me. Well 5 seconds with rogue ST max changed that.
[QUOTE=”McLovin, post: 10376154, member: 23812″]
what was your gamer, and how was the rogue st max better?
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gamer is 2021 epic max Ls 9*. Didn’t record numbers exactly but in the small sample swings with av blue shaft – on monitor with 94 mph no warm up swing I was getting between 5-7 yards off line with rogue versus the usually 10-15 yards offline on course with epic.Obviously my gamer shaft is 50g versus the 60ish gram shaft in Av so results will vary but rogue st just was easier to find center of fairway using not fit for me specs
[QUOTE=”Alez367, post: 10376386, member: 21780″]
gamer is 2021 epic max Ls 9*. Didn’t record numbers exactly but in the small sample swings with av blue shaft – on monitor with 94 mph no warm up swing I was getting between 5-7 yards off line with rogue versus the usually 10-15 yards offline on course with epic.Obviously my gamer shaft is 50g versus the 60ish gram shaft in Av so results will vary but rogue st just was easier to find center of fairway using not fit for me specs
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This is the trend I see in a lot of tests, and videos.
Especially in Head to Head reviews. The Rogue is generally disregarded, as the STEALTH is praised.
Even with a clear dispersion picture, and ball data put up on the screen… It’s wild.
And let’s not even talk about Standard deviations. This driver is something special.
Literally the first swing I’ve taken in two days no warm-up no nothing.
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[QUOTE=”McLovin, post: 10376430, member: 23812″]
maybe it’s my own bias, but whenever i watch the stealth v rogue st videos, i come away more and more impressed with the rogue st lineup. speed and stability continues to be my takeaway. i’m still trying hard to convince myself to abstain from a purchase this year, but this one is getting hard to ignore.
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It may be, and I may have a little as well.
But the numbers in these vids don’t lie. The average golfer isn’t taking anything other than “how far” into account.
But, when you look at the hard data, The Rogue is just better.
This is also what I’ve observed personally, in real life.
[QUOTE=”McLovin, post: 10376433, member: 23812″]
that seems like a really good spin number for you, right? you’re typically on the high side?
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My goal is between 2500-2900 as that is my preferred number to give me what I am looking for. I think I hit 12 balls and every one of them fell right in line with that, outside of the two that I heeled badly.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 10376426, member: 3″]
Literally the first swing I’ve taken in two days no warm-up no nothing.
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what head are you rocking?
[QUOTE=”Afizzle2100, post: 10376451, member: 56757″]
what head are you rocking?
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Posted a bit ago, but I know these threads move fast and get long.
I am currently testing the Max head and this was with a Project X shaft.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 10376454, member: 3″]
Posted a bit ago, but I know these threads move fast and get long.
I am currently testing the Max head and this was with a Project X shaft.
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yeah I read right over it, my bad.
interested to see your numbers on that max compared to the LS.