It’s time to go Rogue, or perhaps as Callaway is phrasing it, “Think Speed. Go Rogue.”
After a release cycle away, where Callaway introduced the Mavrik lineup, Rogue is back, but if you are thinking it’s just another “off year release” that isn’t Epic, you might want to reassess that.
Callaway is pulling no punches here, and though the Rogue line may have a slightly different target in some respects than Epic, this is still them bringing all of their innovations to the table alongside some new ones.
What better place to start than drivers, so let’s get into it!
While the Rogue name is back, there is no denying a lot has changed. Where metalwoods are concerned, the name of the game is stability, and Callaway is utilizing its most extreme weighting technology combined with every other tech which they have pioneered and continue to evolve.
Foremost, every single club in the new Rogue lineup has a unique A.I. face which now takes even more parameters into consideration like speed, launch, and spin robustness through a new optimization formula which means an even more refined face. Make no mistake, Callaway is not at all exaggerating when they say no one is doing club design like they are, and no one is using A.I. like they are.
These drivers have the most extreme weighting tech the company has ever used in a driver, they are using a “Tungsten Speed Cartridge” which uses up to 26g of MIM’d Tungsten, and folks that is a lot of tungsten. This is placed at the very extreme edge of the driver in order to increase speed on off center hits through “ball speed robustness”, which is fancy for minimizing the loss when you miss. Of course, this also helps with making the head more resistant to twisting.
Each driver is also using the new “Speed Tuned Jailbreak Speedframe” which is like what was used in Epic, except more slender with the same balance and stiffness, though some priority is given to further stiffening the lower part of the head.
Finally, the shaping here is a departure from the Cyclone shaping of the Mavrik release, that has gone in favor of a more rearward CG through the use of a “low tail” which looks pretty familiar to be honest, but this does follow the current trend, so it makes a lot of sense to see. It doesn’t mean Cyclone was wrong, this is just a different way to make things happen. This is part of the unibody frame construction that takes from F1 in the notion of making as much of the head one piece as possible while keeping it smooth and thin. It is finished out in all the Rogue drivers with Triaxial Carbon on both the crown and sole.
Even bolder than the tech perhaps, is that Callaway is bringing four different drivers to the Rogue ST MAX lineup. Yes, four.
Callaway Rogue ST MAX D Driver
This one is the most draw biased of the four drivers, it is the club for those who tend to struggle with a slice and need as much shot shape correction as they can get. This naturally has a draw weighted CG and a closed face orientation with the largest footprint to provide the forgiveness, elevation, and directional correction that golfers need without excessive spin.
The MAX D comes in three lofts (9°, 10.5°, 12°) and utilizes the OptiFit adapter. All three heads are also available in RH and LH.
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Callaway Rogue ST MAX Driver
This is the “sweetspot” driver of the lineup which will fit the largest number of golfers in the segment. It does have a slight draw bias because, believe it or not, that is what most of us need, and this offers the best combination of forgiveness and distance. The Rogue ST Max has the highest MOI of the four models and is somewhat larger but designed to still fit the eye of even the most discerning golfers.
The MAX has three base loft options (9°, 10.5°, 12°) with each using the OptiFit adapter and being available in both RH and LH.
Rogue ST Max LS Driver Rogue ST Max LS Driver
Callaway Rogue ST MAX LS Driver
Ah yes, the Rogue which is aimed at the slightly better player, the golfer which wants to see the ball go right and left at times and can use a more neutral overall bias to do just that. The MAX LS maintains a very high overall MOI thanks to the Tungsten Speed Cartridge but also keeps a lower launch angle and spin rate than the MAX.
The MAX LS also uses the Callaway OptiFit adapter in two loft options (9° and 10.5°) which also are available in both RH and LH.
Rogue ST Max Triple Diamond LS Driver Rogue ST Max Triple Diamond LS Driver
Callaway Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS
Yes, for those who clamor with every single Callaway metalwood release, for this driver release, the Triple Diamond is a regular part of the lineup. Well, as regular as it can be. The Triple Diamond is a 450cc head making it the smallest of the four and has the lowest spin profile with the most neutral to fade bias of the four options. While it still offers all the design bells and whistles of the others, there is no doubt the Triple Diamond is for the smallest segment.
Availability here is in two lofts (9° and 10.5°) with the OptiFit adapter and in both RH an LH.
While it will come as no surprise, Callaway, through their internal and external testing, believes they have created four drivers that will each lead their specific segment in performance. A bold take, absolutely, but the crew at Callaway have never been short of confidence, which they typically back up well.
The Details
Standard shaft options are as follows:
- Lightweight/Womens – Project X Cypher Black (40g, 50g)
- Mid Offering – Mitsubishi Tensei AV Blue (50g, 60g, 70g)
- Low Offering – Mitsubishi Tensei AV White (60g, 70g, 80g)
The Rogue ST drivers will be priced at $549.99 and hit retail on 2/18/22. Be sure to keep a keen eye on the THP Community as we will have a lot of feedback beginning today as 12 forum members already have these in hand!
I really can’t wait to hit this driver. I love all the new stuff. Interesting post I saw today.
now, I know Rahm is among the tippy top of ball strikers, he drives the be amazingly well. But this caught my eye.
10 shots. 100 rpm variance.. that’s is outstanding.
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[QUOTE=”Afizzle2100, post: 10345165, member: 56757″]
As I said to the guys today.
The Max D isn’t just a driver. The Max D is a lifestyle.
Ever since I started swinging Max D I’ve been getting called sir at work.
in all seriousness though I do plan on getting some sim work in hopefully this weekend. Hoping to get numbers from my epic flash sub zero and then numbers for the max D to get an idea of what kind of difference I may expect to see this upcoming season.
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I have the Epic Flash Sub Zero as well, so will be interested to see what results you see, although the draw bias isn’t something I am looking for
[QUOTE=”templeton80, post: 10345621, member: 53139″]
I really can’t wait to hit this driver. I love all the new stuff. Interesting post I saw today.
now, I know Rahm is among the tippy top of ball strikers, he drives the be amazingly well. But this caught my eye.
10 shots. 100 rpm variance.. that’s is outstanding.
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I am one of the most inconsistent drivers on this forum. 6 balls in a 5 yard dispersion window once I had the correct fit. Find the right setup with this driver and it can produce very consistent results.
[QUOTE=”Afizzle2100, post: 10346109, member: 56757″]
I am one of the most inconsistent drivers on this forum. 6 balls in a 5 yard dispersion window once I had the correct fit. Find the right setup with this driver and it can produce very consistent results.
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What shaft did you go with? Your signature doesn’t seem to have updated itself! ?
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10346118, member: 57192″]
What shaft did you go with? Your signature doesn’t seem to have updated itself! ?
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to be fair, I technically haven’t played since receiving it so it’s not the in bag yet :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Jk, updated now.
Driver shaft is Tensei White 65S
[QUOTE=”Afizzle2100, post: 10346149, member: 56757″]
to be fair, I technically haven’t played since receiving it so it’s not the in bag yet :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Jk, updated now.
Driver shaft is Tensei White 65S
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Ok ok that’s fair ? I haven’t updated fairways, hybrid, or irons yet. I’m in the Tensei White too and loving it so far!
I updated the sig but with a caveat, a (not in the bag, yet).
My 2nd teamer is an Epic. There will be a competition for driver slot. May look at the new offerings of Rogue and Cobra. A spring fling…
The more I read and watch about these drivers the more excited I am to try them. It’s a pretty big deal for me that the Triple Diamond came out because I constantly fight the lefts. Adding that the head may be a little heavier than in the past could make this the perfect solution for me. I hadn’t planned on a new driver this season but I’m getting more and more tempted.
[QUOTE=”jmix18, post: 10345484, member: 60984″]
Already told her I need a new driver. She was like “didn’t you get one a few years ago?” “Yes honey…. But tech has advanced and I’m getting older… I need more tech in my life.” Though I think she wants a new driver as well… so it’ll probably be a 2-fer when I/we go to get fit. She is swinging the first Rogue rendition….
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I hope she gets fit into a Rogue ST ???!
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 10342764, member: 3″]
Go into your settings and show signatures. It’s in preferences
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I was wondering what the signatures that you were talking about were. I had never seen one.
[QUOTE=”JasonFinleyCG, post: 10344556, member: 19461″]
All, thanks for all the interest and feedback in our stuff, love reading all of the threads. Let me address one topic that there seems to be some debate on. I have seen some question how much more technology others may have or even how this driver compares to prior models. First off, keep in mind as you see from many sources (“Biased” or otherwise) – hard to argue the performance of our past Drivers or frankly, the technology that they deliver. Also very hard to argue that we are the leaders in designing products with AI – this is not even debatable and the first outcome of this was Jailbreak which has continually proven to deliver fast ball speeds. Also hard to argue that we have been using composite in our Drivers for 20 years – in many different ways to meet our ultimate objective of driving the best performance (see point one).
Now, does the new Rogue Driver have one simple idea that we are rallying everything around – no, there are too many things that have improved that play a role in the performance of this Driver. Does this Driver have a Jailbreak technology – yes, better than what we have done in the past, are we using AI in the design, yes, and we are leveraging it more than we ever have before to deliver more speed and forgiveness around the face. Are we bringing the Tungsten Speed Cartridge to this driver, yes.
Finally, is one of the Rogue Drivers going to be better for every single person, particularly those playing Epic Max/Speed models – no. Those Drivers are really good, not everyone will see a gain, most will, up to you if better than what you have or something else you are considering. Also, we also know everyone, even the “lunatic fringe” are not going to buy a new Driver every year, but we also know that new products drive the energy and excitement for the category. It is your choice if you think the technology and performance gain is worth it for you. Bottom line, we stand behind our technology and performance and all we ask is if you are considering a new product, get our stuff in the mix – I like our chances our performance will win.
Oh, once more thing – The Rogue lineup top to bottom is REALLY GOOD!
Thanks all.
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If I am playing a standard Mavrik am I likely to see an improvement. My miss tends to be low on the face and straight vs directional. Would the Rogue ST maintain ball speed and control spin better than the Mav. The Mavrik has been super steady for me.
Looking forward to getting some numbers on the sim tomorrow!
I love the TV ad for the new drivers. Especially Phil at the end with “NASTIER bombs!” ?
[QUOTE=”Chef23, post: 10348272, member: 48542″]
If I am playing a standard Mavrik am I likely to see an improvement. My miss tends to be low on the face and straight vs directional. Would the Rogue ST maintain ball speed and control spin better than the Mav. The Mavrik has been super steady for me.
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I am going from Mavrik Max to Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS. I’m seeing significant gains in forgiveness off the bottom of the face and on toe misses. Here is an excellent video from [USER=63768]@JohnnyCallaway[/USER] talking specifically about forgiveness and spin control in the Rogue ST line on low misses.
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[QUOTE=”Snowman, post: 10348282, member: 3386″]
I love the TV ad for the new drivers. Especially Phil at the end with “NASTIER bombs!” ?
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I haven’t seen that one! ? I need to find it.
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10348284, member: 57192″]
I am going from Mavrik Max to Rogue ST Triple Diamond LS. I’m seeing significant gains in forgiveness off the bottom of the face and on toe misses. Here is an excellent video from [USER=63768]@JohnnyCallaway[/USER] talking specifically about forgiveness and spin control in the Rogue ST line on low misses.
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I am not a high speed guy but I do wind up with around 2950 spin on my driver. It will be interesting to see if the triple diamond fits a pedestrian low to mid 90s SS.
[QUOTE=”Chef23, post: 10348298, member: 48542″]
I am not a high speed guy but I do wind up with around 2950 spin on my driver. It will be interesting to see if the triple diamond fits a pedestrian low to mid 90s SS.
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The forgiveness is across the entire line. While still very forgiving, the triple diamond would be the least forgiving of the bunch. Standard Mavrik would probably get you started in the Max which is probably going to be the most common fit in the series. The Max LS would be lower spin and more neutral ball flight versus the slight draw of the Max.
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10348287, member: 57192″]
I haven’t seen that one! ? I need to find it.
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They’ve been showing it on Golf Channel during the Sentry TOC, and I’ve also seen it a couple times tonight while watching Golf Central.
[QUOTE=”Snowman, post: 10348312, member: 3386″]
They’ve been showing it on Golf Channel during the Sentry TOC, and I’ve also seen it a couple times tonight while watching Golf Central.
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Sheesh I watched hours of coverage, I must really tune out commercials.
I went down the YouTube rabbit hole tonight…. It’s a really good looking driver
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10348305, member: 57192″]
The forgiveness is across the entire line. While still very forgiving, the triple diamond would be the least forgiving of the bunch. Standard Mavrik would probably get you started in the Max which is probably going to be the most common fit in the series. The Max LS would be lower spin and more neutral ball flight versus the slight draw of the Max.
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Sounds like the Max LS might be the place to start.
Based on golf I watched… These things bomb… Leaders are stable of Cally guys… Phil used it back to back shots to get on a 600+ yard hole…
My lord. The Rogue ST Max is straight straight straight. I had league play tonight and had to play 36 holes since our course has closed the sims on back to back Fridays which is our night to play. 28 times I hit driver…24 fairways. I freaking can’t with this thing. I had plans to get numbers with the 21 LS ball and 22 LS ball but just didn’t have the time with all the holes we had to play. But all I can say is this ENTIRE face works the ball forward and straight at an insane clip. I haven’t swung a club for three weeks so I was rusty and off with everything else. But not the Rogue. I honestly can not wait to get outside. This club is going to be game changing for me.
Now, I was still getting numbers per hit but nothing that was cumulative to look at. But looking at those numbers after each shot, I can tell you that personally, I’m not seeing insane distance gains or tons more ball speed. But I’m seeing just sooooo much more consistency and forgiveness. I’ve never hit the driver like this before and it has me so incredibly excited.
I apologize for not being able to read the whole thread but can somebody tell me which of these heads is closest to the Epic Max LS? That head has been incredible for me and I am not looking for a change but I am curious how the new model is different. I have found the Max LS to be super forgiving with a mid/ high launch and mid spin.
[QUOTE=”badolds, post: 10348492, member: 47579″]
I apologize for not being able to read the whole thread but can somebody tell me which of these heads is closest to the Epic Max LS? That head has been incredible for me and I am not looking for a change but I am curious how the new model is different. I have found the Max LS to be super forgiving with a mid/ high launch and mid spin.
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Rogue ST Max LS
Now I want a new driver. Damnit.
[QUOTE=”BriMac, post: 10348662, member: 44854″]
Now I want a new driver. Damnit.
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I need preorders to open.
[QUOTE=”BriMac, post: 10348662, member: 44854″]
Now I want a new driver. Damnit.
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The Rogue Max ST reminds me of a Ping G425 with modern tech – I’ll take one please.
[QUOTE=”Desmond, post: 10348675, member: 24109″]
The Rogue Max ST reminds me of a Ping G425 with modern tech – I’ll take one please.
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And you won’t need earplugs! ??
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 10348689, member: 1579″]
And you won’t need earplugs! ??
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Yes, I get the looks at the range.:ROFLMAO:
And I already have a shaft for the Rogue Max ST – it is in the Epic Speed – the TPT Series 19. Ready to go! I want this Rogue to be a Ping killer. If it does that, I’ll be very happy. Because the G425, even when push or draw, is still playable. Give me the Ping Killer!
Got the Rogue TD LS on a simulator today out of curiosity. Numbers were solid. I struggled with some low spin hooks, but all in all 55/60ish shots were less than 30 yards offline. I need to find some taller sim tees before I go back because I was definitely testing the bottom of the face a bit. I did set a new personal ball speed record at 161! Here are shots of the slight fade I’m going for along with the longest shot of the day and some numbers from my last Club Champion fitting for comparison. I’ve picked up a couple mph in swing speed and probably top out around 110.
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[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 10348327, member: 62865″]
I went down the YouTube rabbit hole tonight…. It’s a really good looking driver
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I know it sounds like a cliche, but they really do look better in person
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10348976, member: 57192″]
Got the Rogue TD LS on a simulator today out of curiosity. Numbers were solid. I struggled with some low spin hooks, but all in all 55/60ish shots were less than 30 yards offline. I need to find some taller sim tees before I go back because I was definitely testing the bottom of the face a bit. I did set a new personal ball speed record at 161! Here are shots of the slight fade I’m going for along with the longest shot of the day and some numbers from my last Club Champion fitting for comparison. I’ve picked up a couple mph in swing speed and probably top out around 110.
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Solid numbers, right there!
I read the Wunder report of the staffers’ drivers this week. I keep reading about how most Tour players want some spin, so it was surprising to see how many of them have TD LS heads. I also noted that Phil M has a 7.5 degree Max LS head.
[QUOTE=”Desmond, post: 10348696, member: 24109″]
Yes, I get the looks at the range.:ROFLMAO:
And I already have a shaft for the Rogue Max ST – it is in the Epic Speed – the TPT Series 19. Ready to go! I want this Rogue to be a Ping killer. If it does that, I’ll be very happy. Because the G425, even when push or draw, is still playable. Give me the Ping Killer!
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Ping is very good at producing a certain type of driver imo. To me they are the perfect blend of distance and accuracy. Hard to get one out of the bag, if it fits you properly.
I have been watching all the Callaway Wunder videos on these, and really impressed with the quality of content coming from Callaway. It’s that good. Plus the drivers themselves! :love: They have great aesthetics IMO, I like the matte carbon crown and the gold TSC and Jailbreak blades. Its a handsome package. Not was thrilled with the angular marking dots along the back of the crown, but that’s a minor nitpick. Loved the Mavrik but I’m thinking this could be a good trade in opportunity.
I can’t wait to see them in person, especially the Max LS and Triple Diamond.
Two questions for the Grandaddy guys (or anyone who has hit these)
1. how much increase in ball speed did you see over your previous driver?
2. the Rogue Max LS players, what kind of launch/spin are you seeing?
2. (b) are you in this driver bc you’re a high spin tee player or did it just hit a better launch window for you?
[QUOTE=”mikeg_74, post: 10349365, member: 15992″]
Two questions for the Grandaddy guys (or anyone who has hit these)
1. how much increase in ball speed did you see over your previous driver?
2. the Rogue Max LS players, what kind of launch/spin are you seeing?
2. (b) are you in this driver bc you’re a high spin tee player or did it just hit a better launch window for you?
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Looks like I’m seeing about a 5mph increase from the Mavrik line. I don’t think I had a single drive out of 60 that was below 155mph today, which would have previously been above average. I’m in TD LS because of ball flight and spin numbers.
[QUOTE=”mikeg_74, post: 10349365, member: 15992″]
2. the Rogue Max LS players, what kind of launch/spin are you seeing?
2. (b) are you in this driver bc you’re a high spin tee player or did it just hit a better launch window for you?
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2.) On my good hits I stayed consistent with 12-14 launch and around 2300 rpm. vs the D at ECPC I was hovering towards 2800-2900.
2. (b)) I’m a high spin player due to my swing (read swing flaws). This allowed me to hit a great launch and spin window to maximize distance that I gained fitting into this head.
[QUOTE=”Golfers Anonymous, post: 10349381, member: 59233″]
2.) On my good hits I stayed consistent with 12-14 launch and around 2300 rpm. vs the D at ECPC I was hovering towards 2800-2900.
2. (b)) I’m a high spin player due to my swing (read swing flaws). This allowed me to hit a great launch and spin window to maximize distance that I gained fitting into this head.
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[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10349373, member: 57192″]
Looks like I’m seeing about a 5mph increase from the Mavrik line. I don’t think I had a single drive out of 60 that was below 155mph today, which would have previously been above average. I’m in TD LS because of ball flight and spin numbers.
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Either if you remember what your AoA is from the fitting?
[QUOTE=”mikeg_74, post: 10349382, member: 15992″]
Either if you remember what your AoA is from the fitting?
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Not as positive as it was or should be. Probably 2-3°.
This lineup looks impressive. Great options to fit just about anyone. I’m due for an upgrade at driver. I’m going to have to try these out and see what I get along with.
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10349388, member: 57192″]
Not as positive as it was or should be. Probably 2-3°.
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i don’t hit up much either, probably where you are and why I’ve always gone with a lower degree head (9v10.5) to help spin and increase carry. I think triple D is out of my ability but the LS could be one to try and see if it can beat my current driver
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10349373, member: 57192″]
Looks like I’m seeing about a 5mph increase from the Mavrik line. I don’t think I had a single drive out of 60 that was below 155mph today, which would have previously been above average. I’m in TD LS because of ball flight and spin numbers.
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Did you make a substantial shaft/loft change also. 5 mph seems like a lot for just a head change.
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10349388, member: 57192″]
Not as positive as it was or should be. Probably 2-3°.
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If you aren’t a long drive contestant 2-3* positive AoA is plenty good. I struggle to get to 0 never mind positive.
[QUOTE=”Chef23, post: 10349458, member: 48542″]
Did you make a substantial shaft/loft change also. 5 mph seems like a lot for just a head change.
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Yes, I went from a HZRDUS Smoke Black 70g 6.0 shaft to a Tensei AV White 65X.
SIM2 Max and Rogue ST Max. The Rogue just presents so much better. As well as, just straight up performs.
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[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 10348976, member: 57192″]
Got the Rogue TD LS on a simulator today out of curiosity. Numbers were solid. I struggled with some low spin hooks, but all in all 55/60ish shots were less than 30 yards offline. I need to find some taller sim tees before I go back because I was definitely testing the bottom of the face a bit. I did set a new personal ball speed record at 161! Here are shots of the slight fade I’m going for along with the longest shot of the day and some numbers from my last Club Champion fitting for comparison. I’ve picked up a couple mph in swing speed and probably top out around 110.
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HULK!!
[QUOTE=”mikeg_74, post: 10349365, member: 15992″]
Two questions for the Grandaddy guys (or anyone who has hit these)
1. how much increase in ball speed did you see over your previous driver?
2. the Rogue Max LS players, what kind of launch/spin are you seeing?
2. (b) are you in this driver bc you’re a high spin tee player or did it just hit a better launch window for you?
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Based on last night, 0 gain in speed but much better ball flight
2) I was fit in to the LS but didn’t come home with that with supply issues.
2b)I was fit in to it because it erased the right side of the course for me as a lefty. I had a two way miss and wanted my pull to go away. It was more shot sharp than it was spin profile. I’ve lived around 2300 spin since the Cobra F9 with four drivers since then.
[QUOTE=”Vader, post: 10349598, member: 48554″]
SIM2 Max and Rogue ST Max. The Rouge just presents so much better. As well as, just straight up performs.
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could you measure from the face (alignment chev) to the back? I’m curious how big that is because it “feels” overly elongated in pictures and wanted to compare to what I have in the bag now