Bryson DeChambeau finished this year averaging 322.1 yards off the tee. This is the highest single season distance mark of all time. He edged out Cameron Champ by less than a yard.
With all of the distance talk, the previous record was from over 15 years ago when Hank Keuhne averaged over 321 yards.
[QUOTE=”ddec, post: 9512657, member: 782″]
he came out guns a blazin in those first 4 events back. Outside of the PGA Championship though he’s been a different player than the guy who first returned. Would love to see him back on track next week because it would be a great test for his style of play.
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Agreed, although I don’t think the course or setup will suit his game. We shall see.
Interesting though is since the restart, he does have 5 top 10s and a win. Including a top 5 in the only major this year so far.
While time will tell on his career, I always find it amusing how the results are dismissed, especially when comparing it to other bombers such as Cam Champ or even Finau.
how many tournaments did Brysons average come from vs the number of tourneys Champ actually played in? Then I did some Google’ing and find out they were both 15 cuts made….
I mean Bryson was 15 cuts for 17 and Champ was 15/20
so even steven
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9512677, member: 3″]
Agreed, although I don’t think the course or setup will suit his game. We shall see.
Interesting though is since the restart, he does have 5 top 10s and a win. Including a top 5 in the only major this year so far.
While time will tell on his career, I always find it amusing how the results are dismissed, especially when comparing it to other bombers such as Cam Champ or even Finau.
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the course not fitting him I think is what we all kind of wanted to see though isn’t it? I mean I know I did as a way to see the more longevity of this approach. Not every course plays like Detroit golf club. Yes, he can overpower courses as he did in June. But he wasn’t able to do that at Memorial, St. Jude, Northern Trust, BMW, or the Tour Championship. He’s trending in the not so great direction.
Still behind DJ in the Win column though ?????
[QUOTE=”ddec, post: 9512684, member: 782″]
the course not fitting him I think is what we all kind of wanted to see though isn’t it? I mean I know I did as a way to see the more longevity of this approach. Not every course plays like Detroit golf club. Yes, he can overpower courses as he did in June. But he wasn’t able to do that at Memorial, St. Jude, Northern Trust, BMW, or the Tour Championship. He’s trending in the not so great direction.
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I think that is fair. I do think as players grow, they pick and choose their setups better (see Tiger), but in a shortened season that wasn’t really applicable.
I can make the case that he has had as good a 2020 as anybody in golf not named DJ or JT. 7 top 10s in a row with a win is a strong statement.
Was it just a hot streak and the tail end is more what we see? No idea. But a guy that hits it a ton and wins is something the tour has been searching for for a while in my opinion.
[QUOTE=”OITW, post: 9512699, member: 20929″]
Still behind DJ in the Win column though ?????
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Is his approach only justified if he becomes the #1 player in the world?
[QUOTE=”Bucketsofjoy, post: 9512732, member: 18848″]
Is his approach only justified if he becomes the #1 player in the world?
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DJ is the number 1 player.
I think it’s crazy that he edged Champ by a yard and that the record lasted 15 years. I wonder how far keune would hit it playing today’s equipment.
I’m curious to see the distance correlation to wins though for the last 15 years, because i had never heard of Keune before.
[QUOTE=”OITW, post: 9512740, member: 20929″]
DJ is the number 1 player.
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Right. Discussing DeChambeau – is Bryson’s approach only justified if he is the #1 player in the world?
[QUOTE=”Bucketsofjoy, post: 9512749, member: 18848″]
Right. Discussing DeChambeau – is Bryson’s approach only justified if he is the #1 player in the world?
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who cares about being world #1
Win tournaments ?
win majors ?
win ? ?
pretty sure you can accomplish all that and not be world #1
What’s the downside to his approach, except for cameramen?
There seems to be an undercurrent in this thread hoping Bryson will crash and burn because he is challenging concepts of the game. Thinking outside the box and it’s irking some people’s traditional mindsets. He has a different swing. So does Bubba Watson, Jim Furyk, Matt Wolfe… Bryson was a great golfer before his changes and he’s a great golfer now. Still early in his career…It’s an interesting journey and I’m glad we get to watch it. Btw, DJ hits the gym too… and works routines that help his swing.
If anything, I would think we would embrace players who advance the ball in their own unique ways within the rules of golf. Pushing boundaries, challenging ideas… that’s how we grow, right? [emoji2371]
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[QUOTE=”Scorpion12, post: 9511369, member: 22025″]
So… you’re saying everyone over 55 is grandfathered and not subject to the rollback? Make it 48 and I’m in.:)
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I’m almost 42 and doing a perfectly fine job of dialing back the distance myself, thank you very much!
[QUOTE=”Smiter, post: 9513001, member: 44251″]
I’m almost 42 and doing a perfectly fine job of dialing back the distance myself, thank you very much!
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Bryson doesn’t hold a candle to you Smiter #Bomber
[QUOTE=”OITW, post: 9513004, member: 20929″]
Bryson doesn’t hold a candle to you Smiter #Bomber
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Lol. I got nothing left in the tank. Should change my name to “feebly swipes at ball”.
[QUOTE=”Smiter, post: 9513040, member: 44251″]
Lol. I got nothing left in the tank. Should change my name to “feebly swipes at ball”.
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Haha #PastParallel
[QUOTE=”Canadan, post: 9511114, member: 2320″]
All the emotion around Bryson and distance… and he only edged Champ by a yard lmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaao
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Haha yup. I wish Champ would have beat him out.
[QUOTE=”shanewu, post: 9513104, member: 38120″]
Haha yup. I wish Champ would have beat him out.
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Imagine…. No one says a damn thing when it’s Champ, and BLAMO. Bryson.
Thats just bananas.. he’s been crushing them, and just going to get even further in time
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9512647, member: 3″]
Didn’t he outplay Rory since the re-start?
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He couldn’t outplay anyone and is weird. Koepka is all over him.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9511117, member: 3″]
Actually less than a yard. .1 yards.:)
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That’s fair. What did he improve over his previous year or best? That’s a better comparison.
[QUOTE=”1ironrocks, post: 9513476, member: 60109″]
He couldn’t outplay anyone and is weird. Koepka is all over him.
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I’m confused. He did win.
sticking to the point of the distance results, not wins or anyones personal opinions, I dont think ive seen anyone mention that Bryson’s huge distance didnt really start until after the restart
The 8 tournaments he played prior to covid probably brought down his distance much more. After covid id have to think he averaged over 330 yards
[QUOTE=”NullNomad, post: 9511118, member: 24821″]
Yea but what did Hank Keuhne eat for breakfast.
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Bryson eats pieces of Hank Kuehne for breakfast, pal.
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[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9511093, member: 3″]
Bryson DeChambeau finished this year averaging 322.1 yards off the tee. This is the highest single season distance mark of all time. He edged out Cameron Champ by less than a yard.
With all of the distance talk, the previous record was from over 15 years ago when Hank Keuhne averaged over 321 yards.
[URL=’https://www.thehackersparadise.com/bryson-leads-in-distance-with-record-setting-number/’]Continue reading…[/URL]
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Kuehne led John Daly by 7 yards on average (although JD had a lot less measured drives). Here’s the Top 10 from 2003. Matthew Goggin was 10th at 299.8. So 9 Pros averaged over 300 yards.
In 2020, the first Pro on the list to average UNDER 300 yards off the tee is Cameron Smith, also at 299.8, but 73rd place. So 73 players compared to 9. No issue there.
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I can drive over 300yds so these numbers aren’t that impressive to me. I can go toe to toe with any of these players, and longer than most.
[QUOTE=”OITW, post: 9512857, member: 20929″]
who cares about being world #1
Win tournaments ?
win majors ?
win ? ?
pretty sure you can accomplish all that and not be world #1
What’s the downside to his approach, except for cameramen?
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I’m confused.
In your mind, are you arguing that Bryson’s approach is only made worthwhile if he becomes the best performing golfer every week, and no one ever beats him? He seems to have improved in every measured way, why get worked up over how he’s done it?
[QUOTE=”1ironrocks, post: 9513835, member: 60109″]
I can drive over 300yds so these numbers aren’t that impressive to me. I can go toe to toe with any of these players, and longer than most.
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Million Dollar Question is can you putt?
[QUOTE=”Bucketsofjoy, post: 9513849, member: 18848″]
I’m confused.
In your mind, are you arguing that Bryson’s approach is only made worthwhile if he becomes the best performing golfer every week, and no one ever beats him? He seems to have improved in every measured way, why get worked up over how he’s done it?
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I’m confused by your questions.
My stance:
DJ is the best right now
I have no issue with what Dechambeau is doing, how many tournaments did that Harry keune or whatever win when he was holding the record based on the article.
Bryson started hot and slowed down toward the end. Based on course conditions and setup, distance helps people win, but you need a complete game to lock it down.
DJ’s stats for GIR and putts the last four weeks were unreal.
Dechambeau is hitting bombs, but look at his score to par and where he finished in the field the last four weeks.
The article is about distance, and he is achieving that but he needs to SCORE
He also needs to be nicer to people.
I’d like to see Bryson face off with Champ and Finau in a long drive competition.
[QUOTE=”OITW, post: 9513862, member: 20929″]
Million Dollar Question is can you putt?
I’m confused by your questions.
My stance:
DJ is the best right now
I have no issue with what Dechambeau is doing, how many tournaments did that Harry keune or whatever win when he was holding the record based on the article.
Bryson started hot and slowed down toward the end. Based on course conditions and setup, distance helps people win, but you need a complete game to lock it down.
DJ’s stats for GIR and putts the last four weeks were unreal.
Dechambeau is hitting bombs, but look at his score to par and where he finished in the field the last four weeks.
The article is about distance, and he is achieving that but he needs to SCORE
He also needs to be nicer to people.
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DJ is unequivocally the best right now, 100%. He also shot in the 80s for a couple of rounds, speaking of scoring. I don’t remember Bryson having any rounds in the 80s, correct me if I’m wrong. In fact, go back to the Return to Golf (TM) and there were a couple of tournaments where DJ missed the cut but Bryson was in contention.
I don’t think DJ’s success has anything to do with Bryson, and I don’t think its a sensible comparison. By that approach, literally every single player on tour except DJ need to learn to SCORE. August-September DJ isn’t the measuring stick where we see if Beefy Bryson is a good experiment.
I will be curious to see how he does in the US Open. I read that Rahm played Wingfoot recently and said over par would be the winning score. Finding fairways will be a must.
I’ve never been a fan of Bryson’s but it’s got nothing to do with his actual game. It’s the amount of time he spends in between shots that irks me more. I actually don’t mind his new distance quest either. He’s trying to change things up for himself and put himself in better position to win tournaments. Isn’t that what we all do with our own golf games? I think it did highlight some of the course setups at some tour events are not the most demanding when it comes to accuracy over distance. When the setups changed, he seemed to have a tougher time. Could he have just been cooling off a little or was it the actual courses becoming more demanding? Not entirely sure. It’s an impressive number either way as is the distance the Kuehne was hititng 15+ years ago (I do remember when he was in the US Amateur in the late 90’s) and people were smitten with the distance he was hitting then as well.
[QUOTE=”OITW, post: 9513862, member: 20929″]
Million Dollar Question is can you putt?
I’m confused by your questions.
My stance:
DJ is the best right now
I have no issue with what Dechambeau is doing, how many tournaments did that Harry keune or whatever win when he was holding the record based on the article.
Bryson started hot and slowed down toward the end. Based on course conditions and setup, distance helps people win, but you need a complete game to lock it down.
DJ’s stats for GIR and putts the last four weeks were unreal.
Dechambeau is hitting bombs, but look at his score to par and where he finished in the field the last four weeks.
The article is about distance, and he is achieving that but he needs to SCORE
He also needs to be nicer to people.
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I can putt and it’s the strongest part of my game. Basically, anything within 20 feet is a gimme. I purposely fire at spots on the green to make my putts harder.
I am constantly amazed by the Bryson hate.
I love his game and his quest and his approach. From what I have seen, he is not spraying these balls all over the place. He misses, just like everyone else, but he also sends bombs out right smack in the middle. From what I’ve seen, his [problem is is is too long now. One tournament, I forget which, he made the same mistake 3 times. 3 times he was 120ish out, 3 times he hit his 56 or some such, and 3 times he flew it.
When he dials that all in, he will be even better.
Re: pace of play, I think that has improved a lot. I saw several name brand guys takign a good long time this past weekend on shots.
[QUOTE=”millsan1, post: 9514044, member: 49710″]
I am constantly amazed by the Bryson hate.
I love his game and his quest and his approach. From what I have seen, he is not spraying these balls all over the place. He misses, just like everyone else, but he also sends bombs out right smack in the middle. From what I’ve seen, his [problem is is is too long now. One tournament, I forget which, he made the same mistake 3 times. 3 times he was 120ish out, 3 times he hit his 56 or some such, and 3 times he flew it.
When he dials that all in, he will be even better.
Re: pace of play, I think that has improved a lot. I saw several name brand guys takign a good long time this past weekend on shots.
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Everyone hates him because he’s weird. Tells everyone he’s a scientist, which he isn’t and brings protractors to the golf course. That’s just plain stupid. And he took steroids which is dumb. I don’t like him.
[QUOTE=”1ironrocks, post: 9514057, member: 60109″]
Everyone hates him because he’s weird. Tells everyone he’s a scientist, which he isn’t and brings protractors to the golf course. That’s just plain stupid. [B]And he took steroids [/B]which is dumb. I don’t like him.
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He did? Weird that you have this inside info.
Did you feel the same way while Rory, Brooks and Tiger all bulked up? Or is this nugget of info more because “he’s weird”.
[QUOTE=”millsan1, post: 9514044, member: 49710″]
I am constantly amazed by the Bryson hate.
I love his game and his quest and his approach. From what I have seen, he is not spraying these balls all over the place. He misses, just like everyone else, but he also sends bombs out right smack in the middle. From what I’ve seen, his [problem is is is too long now. One tournament, I forget which, he made the same mistake 3 times. 3 times he was 120ish out, 3 times he hit his 56 or some such, and 3 times he flew it.
When he dials that all in, he will be even better.
Re: pace of play, I think that has improved a lot. I saw several name brand guys takign a good long time this past weekend on shots.
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I think he’s just a bit abrasive (from this fan’s perspective) and I think he has a lot of ‘woe is me’ type complaints/whining. That said, I like having him in the field and always watch even if I’m not always cheering for him. I love his approach to trying to gain strokes and think his distance transformation was truly remarkable. I can’t wait to see how he progresses and what he does next!
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9514065, member: 3″]
He did? Weird that you have this inside info.
Did you feel the same way while Rory, Brooks and Tiger all bulked up? Or is this nugget of info more because “he’s weird”.
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There is nothing Bryson did that scream steroids to me. It was just an extremely dirty bulk.. Lots and lots and lots of calories and exercises.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9514065, member: 3″]
He did? Weird that you have this inside info.
Did you feel the same way while Rory, Brooks and Tiger all bulked up? Or is this nugget of info more because “he’s weird”.
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Working out is great and being fit which I am. But adding all that bulk in a short period of time is not right. I don’t like it one bit!!
[QUOTE=”RealPretendPsychic, post: 9514067, member: 57192″]
I think he’s just a bit abrasive (from this fan’s perspective) and I think he has a lot of ‘woe is me’ type complaints/whining. That said, I like having him in the field and always watch even if I’m not always cheering for him. I love his approach to trying to gain strokes and think his distance transformation was truly remarkable. I can’t wait to see how he progresses and what he does next!
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Me too! I think he’s going to do a great job on the course. Adds some excitement and drama, but not the Patrick Reed type. He’s going to win a lot of tournaments and make a ton of money. I bet the golf-bunnies will be tracking him down too! Great guy!
I like Bryson personally (albeit can see why some don’t) and his use of various analytics and believe he will win soon again. He also believe set a record most gain in distance from prior years. Just hope for golf sake he is proven over time to be “clean” as there are unsubstantiated rumors out there that he gained a lot of muscle almost unbelievably fast.
Hell, just eat a pound of bacon, a big stack of pancakes, and about 6 protein shakes for breakfast! He was already doing the other work!
[QUOTE=”Badger_Golfer, post: 9511634, member: 174″]
His driving was impressive, for sure but what good is it? 0 major wins for Bryson.
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[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9511639, member: 3″]
He has played In a single major since his distance increase and finished top 5. Clearly worked for him considering his results.
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Winning in his 2nd major out since the distance gain seems pretty godo.
[QUOTE=”Badger_Golfer, post: 9511634, member: 174″]
His driving was impressive, for sure but what good is it? 0 major wins for Bryson.
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[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9511639, member: 3″]
He has played In a single major since his distance increase and finished top 5. Clearly worked for him considering his results.
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Winning in his 2nd major since his distance gain seems pretty good.
Longest ever driving distance.
[U]Fewest fairways hit[/U] by a winner, however.
I hope everyone does the science/math there in that equation. 😉
Bryson is, however, also a great shotmaker.
Too bad that gets lost with these clown announcers.
[QUOTE=”blueonblack, post: 9530271, member: 59096″]
Longest ever driving distance.
[U]Fewest fairways hit[/U] by a winner, however.
I hope everyone does the science/math there in that equation. 😉
Bryson is, however, also a great shotmaker.
Too bad that gets lost with these clown announcers.
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His fairways hit were low historically, but above the average of the field. Stats go both ways…
Interesting to hear some takes now that he not only won but by a big margin. It’s now official. :unsure: Can’t wait to hear what BK has to say?;)
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9530276, member: 3″]
His fairways hit were low historically, but above the average of the field. Stats go both ways…
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It is unfortunately fueling this distance narrative, which has to go. So tired of it. Everyone plays the same course, same equipment.
I’m just glad the winning score was not really low. Or this narrative might take on more steam. Which is not good for the average golfer.
[QUOTE=”blueonblack, post: 9530283, member: 59096″]
It is unfortunately fueling this distance narrative, which has to go. So tired of it. Everyone plays the same course, same equipment.
I’m just glad the winning score was not really low. Or this narrative might take on more steam. Which is not good for the average golfer.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. To me winning by 6 strokes is going low. Lower that the remainder of the best in the world.
[QUOTE=”ApexFan, post: 9530287, member: 55051″]
I guess it depends on how you look at it. To me winning by 6 strokes is going low. Lower that the remainder of the best in the world.
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And that leads us, unfortunately, to the logical conclusion, unfortunately, that you basically cannot build a golf course that is long enough to be considered a challenge. Your local muni gets more endangered by housing and retail development every time this dialog gets traction.
The average player is not hitting it long enough to invalidate courses.
My only desire is for people to revere their local courses, and not let this narrative take off. It’s bunk.
[QUOTE=”OITW, post: 9513862, member: 20929″]
Deschambeau is hitting bombs, [I][B][U]but look at his score to par[/U][/B][/I] and where he finished in the field the last four weeks
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That part’s irrelevant.