What some may not realize, Callaway has been consistently at the top of the game in terms of sales when it comes to both hybrids and irons, and the Rogue/Mavrik release cycle has always been a significant reason for that. However, as is the case with the drivers and fairway releases of the Rogue line today, don’t make the mistake of thinking this is any kind of filler release, this has all the technology and then some which Callaway possesses.
Speed is the name of the game here, though there are some twists which are sure to surprise.
This is what Callaway is calling their fastest family of hybrids yet, and it’s done with some very cool internal technology.
First, each model is using the new Jailbreak ST which is entirely different than that used in the Rogue drivers or fairways. As the hybrids have unique shapes, A.I. showed that so too should the Jailbreak applied. These clubs actually have two jailbreak speedframes pushed to the far perimeter of the heel and toe versus being located in the middle. This was done because Callaway found it would maintain the vertical stiffness they desire, but also stay away from the Face Cup to let it flex more, which means more speed while keeping stability.
All of the hybrids in the line also have up to 18g of MIM’d tungsten, of which there was none in the Mavrik hybrids previously. This has actually been placed internally because it is towards the toe and externally might draw some question and preconceptions, when in reality, it is there because that counterbalances the elongated hosels of the hybrid to keep things in balance.
Finally, all three models have unique A.I. face optimization with the new 455 high strength Face Cup. But not only that, every loft has a unique A.I. face making for thirteen totally one-of-a-kind faces through the three hybrid designs. These are created to optimize spin robustness (how much spin is maintained) and have done such via Callaway’s testing about 130 RPM’s and a whopping 1.5° of launch.
Best yet? All three options, well, technically four, do independently unique things.
Callaway Rogue ST MAX Hybrid
This is the longest of the hybrid options, it has slightly stronger lofts and will fit the golfer who is looking for speed, forgiveness, and all around performance. The ST MAX does have the squared off toe and lower leading edge which many have become accustomed to from Callaway, and it also has a more iron like face groove design as well.
The ST MAX will be available in 3H-6H (18°, 20°, 23°, 26°) loft options.
Callaway Rogue ST MAX OS and MAX OS LITE Hybrids
Want maximum forgiveness in your hybrid? Then this is your ticket as the MAX OS has the largest shape of the three with the most mass moves to maximize launch while offering tremendous speed and playability. There are also the most loft options here, along with the most draw bias.
This is also why I mentioned there being four options, as Callaway is offering the OS version of the new Rogue hybrids in two different types with the LITE version being higher lofted and lighter weighted for women and amateurs who could benefit from such.
Both the Max OS and Max OS Lite come in 3H-8H (OS – 19°, 21°, 24°, 27°, 30°, 33°, and LITE – 21°, 24°, 27°, 30°, 33°, 36°).
Callaway Rogue ST PRO Hybrid
Finally, there is the Pro. Obviously, this is the most neutral CG of the line, and it is meant to offer more workability as well as fighting against the dreaded left miss (for righties) of better players with hybrids. The Pro also has a more fairway wood shape to it with a rounded face absent any square toe and a significant amount of camber on the sole for turf interaction a lot of better players look for in a hybrid.
The Pro will be available in 2H-4H (18°, 20°, 23°) options.
Why of course there are irons! In fact, right in line with the hybrids there are three (technically four with the LITE) different options which Callaway thinks they allowed them to hit all ranges of golfers. The irons are “Speed Tuned” and are one of the most advanced Callaway has created.
That claim starts with the industries first 450 A.I. Face Cup. This is not a new material to irons, but it is new to the Face Cup application, and its strength means even more speed and speed consistency is now possible for Callaway. Similar to the hybrids, every single face in every single set here is totally unique thanks to the A.I. design supercomputer, meaning every club is optimized for the specific way most amateurs use it (and miss with it too). This new material in the Face Cup has also allowed more spin, speed, launch, and a 13.2% tighter dispersion, not to mention Callaway is actually weakening the lofts in the longer irons because of what is has done.
Additionally, there is a lot of Precision Tungsten Weighting in each of the models with up to 62g in a single head, and 250% more overall than was used in the Mavrik irons. That is a lot of tungsten, and yes that matters a lot in club design. This added weight means more precise placement is an option which helps optimize every single iron.
Finally, the witchcraft which are Callaway’s patented Urethan Microspheres are not only here, but there are more of them than ever before as the company worked to make sure they reach higher up the face (6th groove versus 3rd/4th previously). Because of the way they deform with no resistance, the face still gets maximum flexion while keeping the dampening which makes them sound/feel good.
Callaway Rogue ST MAX Irons
These are the “core” model of the three sets, and Callaway is calling them their longest ever despite actually making the lofts weaker than the Mavrik irons in the longer irons. These offer that in-between realm of offset, topline, and sole width which will work for the biggest segment of golfers. These look like a Callaway iron, through and through.
The ST MAX irons will be available 4-PW, A, G, and S.
Rogue ST Max OS Iron Rogue ST Max OS Iron
Callaway Rogue ST MAX OS and OS LITE Irons
The biggest and burliest of the offerings, the OS and OS LITE are also the most forgiving with the widest soles, enhanced offset, and overall profile that will help golfers who need launch and playability. These are aimed at the mid to high handicap golfer and the OS LITE option is a lighter swing weighted version that also has 3° more loft through the set to further maximize launch for golfers who need it.
Set makeup for the MAX OS is 4-P, A, G, S and 4-P, A, S in the MAX OS LITE.
Rogue ST Max Pro Iron Rogue ST Max Pro Iron
Callaway Rogue ST PRO Irons
Finally, the Pro, and this is a Pro which actually looks as such. This one is sure to turn heads as it looks very similar to the Apex Pro and is likewise a hollow body design with all the bells and whistles packed into a tidy little package. This is a players shape with stronger lofts offering more workability but still a maximization of distance. For those curious, it isn’t as forgiving as the Apex, but it is stronger lofted than the Apex Pro, sitting it right in the middle.
The Pro’s will come in a 4-PW, A option for set orientation.
The Details
Both the Rogue ST MAX hybrids and irons will hit retail everywhere on 2/18/22. Hybrids will come in at $279.99 and the irons at $999.99 for the base set. Shaft options include True Temper Elevate MPH and all new Project X Rifle shafts in steel, and Project X Cypher Black as well as Mitusbishi Tensei AV Blue and White in graphite.
Keep a keen eye on the THP Community for feedback and thoughts of golfers just like you beginning today as we have 12 forum members that have already tested these out!
Callaway has always delivered in hybrids and this release is no different. Watching the [USER=63768]@JohnnyCallaway[/USER] World Of Wunder video these will be well received.
The UW has some competition
So, apologies to start. I tried to post some of these this morning but I’m in central Virginia where the snow storm took down more trees than expected and we went 2 days without power but fortunately it came back tonight. The only internet has been over cellular and everyone has been on it. Hopefully I can answer some of the questions with my review of these but please ask further if you have more questions.
For the hybrids, i haven’t played a hybrid in years but was excited to see if I could get one back in the bag in place of a driving iron. My normal shot shape is a draw and when my hands go fast it is fore left so normally hybrids do not work for me. With the Rogue ST Max I was hitting high draws but they were going really far left. It was an easy club to hit but due to my miss the fitter ruled it out quickly. We moved onto the Rogue ST Pro Hybrid and it is small and looks so darn good behind the ball. It did not scream fore left but my swings with it were not great. It could be the swing I brought with me but the good shots were really good (tight draws) but the bad shots were really bad strikes. My fitter (Justin) handed me a different club to try which launched easier and was also very straight which happened to be the UW and ended any hope of a hybrid going into my. bag (for now). I still intend to get either a Rogue ST Pro hybrid or a super hybrid to swap into the bag.
Now on to the irons. This is more of a love story so bear with me. This is the spot of the bag which I’m the most interested in playing. When we went through the product demo I fell in love with the pros but I was set on getting whatever clubs would help me play my best golf. I set my ego on the side and left it into my fitters hands. From the tech perspective, [USER=1579]@Jman[/USER] nailed it in their increased use of tungsten in the heel and toe of both model irons. I am currently playing the Apex 21 irons and have played some of my best golf with them. When I started my fitting I explained to my fitter that I was playing the Apex 21 irons 1 degree weak and 1 degree flat to help with the offset and left miss. I felt the Rogue ST Max would be the closest thing to the Apex irons I was playing and would be the easy winner. Justin set one up first with a steel shaft and I was struggling. He switched it to the same MMT 95 shafts which I have in my Apex 21 irons so I would time them better and I still was not hitting them great. Justin noticed that something about the way they sat behind the ball made me think it was going to go left for me and I was holding on to the club and not releasing it properly.
He put together a Rogue ST Pro iron with PX 6.0 rifle shaft and told me to not think, just swing. After 4 straight shots which were long with baby draws I was in love. They seemed automatic. The thin top line and neutral stance at address encouraged me to just swing freely and they worked. Justin showed me the numbers and on top of the shots being on top of each other with a tight dispersion they were also 15 yards longer than the Rogue ST Max even though the loft was weaker. He attributed this to me being reluctant to release the Max due to my fear of it going left (which was the trend with that iron). We tried a couple graphite shafts but none of them compared to the numbers I was getting with the PX Rifle shafts so with that I had my irons and was shocked. Not only was I playing the pro head which I wasn’t expecting but I was back in steel shafts and the combo felt amazing. These are what I’m most looking forward to getting and playing with !!!
[QUOTE=”radiman, post: 10338760, member: 15228″]
So, to me, I see the Rogue Max Pro, and it immediately reminds me of the Apex Pro. Then, I look at the price, and I am again reminded of the Apex haha. Can you guys break down the differences? To me, at first glance, if I were in the market, I would immediately gravitate towards the forged model and spend a few extra $$.
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I believe the Apex line will always have that premium aesthetic associated with it and the Apex 21 lineup is fantastic. As mentioned above, I’ve played the Apex 21 standard irons for the past year. What I will say is that with these pros they are using more tungsten in the heel and toe and it showed in my fitting. Going back to last year I was in love with the Apex 21 Pro irons and when I demod them the well hit balls were great. But my miss is often low and towards the toe side and with the Apex 21 Pro irons I saw a big dropoff in numbers and they felt unpleasant to me when striking them there. With the Rogue ST Pro irons they performed better for me with that miss. The feel was better and there was less dropoff on the toe shots. Justin built an Apex 21 Pro iron for me to compare with the same PX Rifle shaft and I could not hit it as well as the Rogue ST Pro. My swing is the likely factor there but behind the ball they both sit really nice but the Rogue ST Pro irons performed much better on my misses.
[QUOTE=”Wildcat4life, post: 10338948, member: 48854″]
I have been hearing about the look of the Pros. Looks like its a hybrid between a muscle back and a players iron. Hard ponder for me.
Question for the GD guys. So many got fit into the TCBs and didn’t go with the Pros. My question is what was the difference for you? TIA
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I made one swing with the TCB’s more out of curiousity and I can tell you that I don’t have the quality of strike for them. The TCB’s seemed to spin better for me which sometimes helps as I can hit some low spin shots at times but you have to be a much better ball striker than I am to put those into play. I found the Rogue ST Pro’s to look fantastic behind the ball but have more help where I needed it.
[QUOTE=”Jman, post: 10338949, member: 1579″]
Made sure to touch on where the Pro’s sit in relation to the Apex and Apex Pro 😉
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I think I’ve somewhat covered that above but as I have a lot of experience with the Apex 21’s and some with teh Apex Pros I’ll give my take. I feel like the Rogue ST Pro irons have a fantastic look (thin top line, player type size and shape) but a softer feel with more forgiveness similar to the Apex 21 irons. I also saw an increase in spin with the Rogue ST Pros over the Apex 21 irons. I feel these fall in between and can give you more spin than the Apex 21s yet more forgiveness than the Apex 21 Pros while still looking fantastic. (I’m in love with these irons!!)
[QUOTE=”ranger1989, post: 10339884, member: 3491″]
My interest is peaked for the Rogue Pro irons. For the GD Alum what is the comparable spin numbers to the Apex Pro? Thanks in advance.
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For me it is easier to compare to the standard Apex 21 irons and the Rogue ST Pro iron with the rifle shaft were giving 400-500rpms more spin than the standard Apex 21 iron. Head to head with the Apex Pros I only took a few swings but the Apex Pros were spinning the ball about 100rpm on average more than the Rogue ST Pros. They were very similar.
[QUOTE=”ranger1989, post: 10339884, member: 3491″]
My interest is peaked for the Rogue Pro irons. For the GD Alum what is the comparable spin numbers to the Apex Pro? Thanks in advance.
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[QUOTE=”Muchmore18, post: 10339894, member: 56094″]
May be a hard question for [USER=19092]@xThor[/USER] and [USER=41068]@93civiccpe[/USER] since we still don’t have them in hand but they still may be able help a little if they saw their numbers during the fitting
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[QUOTE=”cm24, post: 10340311, member: 67192″]
For me, the TCB vs the Rogue ST Pro comparison is missing a step if you were making a combo set. The TCBs for one thing are weaker lofts that the Rogue ST Pros. They are also a different face (Tour Tuned Face Plate which is also in the MB and XF CB) than the Rogue ST Pro and Apex Pro (AI Flash Face in the longer irons). The TCBs are better compared to the MBs and XF CBs than the Rogue ST Pros.
The Rogue ST Pros would be a better comparison to the Apex Pros I think. [USER=19092]@xThor[/USER] would be the best person to compare those two because he had played the Apex Pros as part of a combo set prior to being fit into the new Pros.
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I wish I would have really taken some numbers at the ECPC, but I’m going to a launch event this week and may be able to get some better trackman numbers.
I personally saw a noticeable difference in spin.
I knew coming into this that I wanted some more spin in irons for stopping power, without sacrificing anything.
I’m generally pretty good with my irons, but they are a bit lower flight and not very much spin. Last trackman, my 2021 APEX 7 iron was about 17* launch with 5600 rpm. It worked, but I want some more consistency.
after trying a few different options, the Rogue ST Pros really fit the bill quite well. Launch was around 16.7* but jumped spin up to 6200 rpm or so. I was hitting the number I’m used to hitting distance wise, but with a touch more spin and better descent angle.
based on the fitting, which I did hit the Apex Pro (in addition to owning some in combo currently), the Rogue ST Pro spun just a touch less, but was more consistent across the face.
these have a very nice X series (X20 etc) aesthetic to them. wish the pros didn’t have the black badge
Thanks to all those who gave their impressions. The Pro looks beautiful and has forgiveness. What a beauty!
Just here to say the pros look gorgeous!
My game would put me in the max but if there was ever an iron to motivate me to improve my ballstriking that one would be on the shortlist.
So I did not get fit it the Rogue hybrids or irons, but I did hit MAX 6 iron a few times. Easy to launch and whoa…..it felt hot off the face. That said we weren’t seeing any significant improvements from the Apex DCB so I decided to go that route. That said – I can easily see myself purchasing a couple Rogue Max irons to play with this year. I really enjoy the looks of them. Thinking towards the top of my bag in the longer irons or maybe even a Pro iron towards the bottom of the set. I really want to tinker around with a couple of them and do some long term comparisons.
The Rogue hybrid we didn’t even try because I hit the Epic Super Hybrid so well, but let me say I really like the look of the Rogue Hybrids. The Max especially just looks super good to my eye.
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 10340948, member: 62865″]
Just here to say the pros look gorgeous!
My game would put me in the max but if there was ever an iron to motivate me to improve my ballstriking that one would be on the shortlist.
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I’ve seen your game. I think you could hit the Pros.
[QUOTE=”xThor, post: 10341140, member: 19092″]
I’ve seen your game. I think you could hit the Pros.
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I’m sure I could, but I’m guessing in our last ‘match’ that the nine iron I dunked on 17 would have stayed wet with a pro in hand but dry with a max :p
I’ve talked a lot about the irons, but I have yet to mention the hybrids.
They look good. So good. These might be my favorite shaped and look hybrids Callaway has put out. I went into fitting day knowing that I wanted at least one of these.
Then I hit them. High. and Straight.
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But, as I tend to do, I struggled with too much spin in hybrids. High, very spinny, balls don’t work for my game. So unfortunately after a few different configurations, I had to pass on putting a hybrid in the bag, and elected for a 19* UW, that just did a better job getting spin down and having a penetrating flight. I wouldn’t be surprised if I buy a hybrid down the line just to continue experimenting with them, but they aren’t optimal for me right now.
So two things:
1- they feel amazing, and if you are someone who plays hyrbids and looking to upgrade, take a look at these
2- get fit, and find out if/which hybrid configuration works for you
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 10341181, member: 62865″]
I’m sure I could, but I’m guessing in our last ‘match’ that the nine iron I dunked on 17 would have stayed wet with a pro in hand but dry with a max :p
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Don’t forget the 8 iron I dunked on 16 right before that with an Apex… :ROFLMAO:
[QUOTE=”xThor, post: 10341204, member: 19092″]
Don’t forget the 8 iron I dunked on 16 right before that with an Apex… :ROFLMAO:
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I do, right after I hit a saucy little chromesoft to 14′ 😉
[QUOTE=”Scooby45, post: 10341235, member: 62865″]
I do, right after I hit a saucy little chromesoft to 14′ 😉
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ohhhh Scooby. I see you my man, I see you.
[QUOTE=”xThor, post: 10341258, member: 19092″]
ohhhh Scooby. I see you my man, I see you.
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just giving you GD guys some love. High likelihood a chromesoft ball will be my ball this year.
King Tours are in my bag. That’s my benchmark. Anyone speak about the ST Pro and how they compare?
Just got informed that the fitting box for the Callaway Rogue irons just arrived from the GM at my course. I will be hitting the Rogue ST Pro in a little over an hour. But its going to be a long hour.
[QUOTE=”hedley_lamarr08, post: 10341939, member: 37622″]
King Tours are in my bag. That’s my benchmark. Anyone speak about the ST Pro and how they compare?
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Unfortunately I don’t have a lot of data as I hit the MIM Tour demo this year just to check it out and I’ve only hit the Rogue ST Pro at the ECPC. My swing has changed a bit between then. The Rogue ST Pros feel better and handle a low toe stroke better than what I remember from the MIM Tour. Then again, different shafts in each and a lot of time in between.
For me, the Rogue St Pros are actually the most exciting item of the entire Callaway release, which may seem weird to many. I played a mixed Apex 21/Apex 21 Pro set last year and felt that something in the middle of the two would be fantastic. It sounds like that is what Callaway has done with the new Rogue Pros.
[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10342270, member: 42964″]
For me, the Rogue St Pros are actually the most exciting item of the entire Callaway release, which may seem weird to many. I played a mixed Apex 21/Apex 21 Pro set last year and felt that something in the middle of the two would be fantastic. It sounds like that is what Callaway has done with the new Rogue Pros.
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Pros definitely sounds like what you’d be looking for!
[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10342270, member: 42964″]
For me, the Rogue St Pros are actually the most exciting item of the entire Callaway release, which may seem weird to many. I played a mixed Apex 21/Apex 21 Pro set last year and felt that something in the middle of the two would be fantastic. It sounds like that is what Callaway has done with the new Rogue Pros.
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This is exactly me. I played the Apex/Pro combo last year, and the Rogue ST Pros are the perfect next step in irons for me. Sounds like you are in a similar boat, and I will say that I am sooooooo excited about the irons. From the minute I saw them in person I was hooked, and hitting them only made me more excited.
The Rogue ST Pro Irons are my biggest regret of the Grandaddy. I got so sucked into wedges, the TCBs and Apex 21 Pros that I didn’t hit these at the fitting.
The pros were an immediate jaw dropper when they brought the bag up to the stage. They are a beautiful set of irons! I may even trade my beloved Apex 19s smoke black irons in for a set of the pros. I am going to go a demo day to check them out for sure.
[QUOTE=”Wildcat4life, post: 10341941, member: 48854″]
Just got informed that the fitting box for the Callaway Rogue irons just arrived from the GM at my course. I will be hitting the Rogue ST Pro in a little over an hour. But its going to be a long hour.
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Testing results
Compared the epic Forged 7 w catalyst 80 shaft vs rogue pro 7 w tensei 75 and rifle 115 stiff shafts
look and feel
The pros win in this category for sure. They look better in person than the pics. Pros are noticeably lighter in weight. Top line is much thinner. The pro irons are much more compact. The feel is night and day better with the pros.
distance and trajectory
The epics still win in straight distance. But I was able to change the trajectory of the pros was much easier. Especially with tensei shaft. The pros had a slightly higher trajectory with stock shots. The tensei shaft more so. The good news is that there was not a significant loss of distance in the pros. Probably due to the loft difference.
dispersion
Pros win again. The rifle shaft was the winner here. My miss is a draw/pull and was lessened with both pros.
in the end I have a proper fitting on the 21st with a track man and will learn a lot more. But my thought is that if I can get a graphite shaft with a little more weight than the 75 grams I will probably find my Epic Forged killer. Been testing for more than 2 years for that. I will try TCBs too but these irons are straight ????
Will answer any questions
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I love seeing it
[QUOTE=”xThor, post: 10342734, member: 19092″]
I love seeing it
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GM is texting me to order as soon as possible. She loves these irons
[QUOTE=”Wildcat4life, post: 10342735, member: 48854″]
GM is texting me to order as soon as possible. She loves these irons
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I can see them being very popular. I’m itching to hit it again!
Ill be interested to see how the rogue st pro compares to the apex pro
[QUOTE=”Dt1741, post: 10342739, member: 46228″]
Ill be interested to see how the rogue st pro compares to the apex pro
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I hit both today. In every way I preferred the rogue pro. To be fair the shaft in the apex pro wasn’t for me. The rogue pro is just the easiest iron to hit I’ve tried in a while
[QUOTE=”Tenputt, post: 10342270, member: 42964″]
For me, the Rogue St Pros are actually the most exciting item of the entire Callaway release, which may seem weird to many. I played a mixed Apex 21/Apex 21 Pro set last year and felt that something in the middle of the two would be fantastic. It sounds like that is what Callaway has done with the new Rogue Pros.
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I completely agree.. after playing Apex 21 this past year these seem to fall right between the 2 and they are exactly what I’m looking for!
[QUOTE=”Wildcat4life, post: 10342536, member: 48854″]
Testing results
Compared the epic Forged 7 w catalyst 80 shaft vs rogue pro 7 w tensei 75 and rifle 115 stiff shafts
look and feel
The pros win in this category for sure. They look better in person than the pics. Pros are noticeably lighter in weight. Top line is much thinner. The pro irons are much more compact. The feel is night and day better with the pros.
distance and trajectory
The epics still win in straight distance. But I was able to change the trajectory of the pros was much easier. Especially with tensei shaft. The pros had a slightly higher trajectory with stock shots. The tensei shaft more so. The good news is that there was not a significant loss of distance in the pros. Probably due to the loft difference.
dispersion
Pros win again. The rifle shaft was the winner here. My miss is a draw/pull and was lessened with both pros.
in the end I have a proper fitting on the 21st with a track man and will learn a lot more. But my thought is that if I can get a graphite shaft with a little more weight than the 75 grams I will probably find my Epic Forged killer. Been testing for more than 2 years for that. I will try TCBs too but these irons are straight ????
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This is freaking awesome to see others hitting them already!
[QUOTE=”93civiccpe, post: 10342890, member: 41068″]
I completely agree.. after playing Apex 21 this past year these seem to fall right between the 2 and they are exactly what I’m looking for!
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Exactly what my fitter said. I started with the Rogue ST’s and after determining I was looking for something a little more demanding we moved to Apex Pro and X-Forged.
January 2021, an incorrigible young xThor first laid eyes on the Apex Pro irons. Now, this putter addict had worked hard on his game over the 2020 season, but felt he had not yet built his game to the point of being able to play to the caliber required to achieve success with Apex Pros.
Though he wanted a full set, he was able to acquire the Apex Triple Play Combo, which included a PW and AW in the Pros, the latter wedge of course was led to Valhalla after succumbing to its injuries in the great Sprinkler Head battle at the Hideaway. May it Rest In Peace.
2021 was the year of grinding to find improvement in his game, determined to have the playing ability to be able to game a pro level iron, should one present itself in 2022. As luck would have it, on that Monday night in December, xThor was presented with irons that mirrored the beauty of the Apex Pro, yet were strikingly aggressive. All that was left, was for him to get fit at the ECPC the next morning to verify whether these new weapons would be able to be added to his armory, and if so which shaft might complete the package.
The gods smiled down upon them that Tuesday, as Odin blessed their union. If the Rogue ST Max LS driver is xThor’s Mjolnir, these Rogue ST Pro irons might be his Stormbreaker. Smooth contact, while remaining forgiving. A compact package, with resulting strikes flying high and straight.
All that remains is for the Valkyries, or UPS, to deliver them.
[USER=19092]@xThor[/USER] & [USER=41068]@93civiccpe[/USER], curious to which wedges you guys were fit into with these stronger lofts?
[QUOTE=”ranger1989, post: 10343884, member: 3491″]
[USER=19092]@xThor[/USER] & [USER=41068]@93civiccpe[/USER], curious to which wedges you guys were fit into with these stronger lofts?
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I’ve been playing a JAWS MD5 54 and 58 degree combo with my Apex 21 irons and I kept the same lofts but both in the MD5 Full Toe wedges. I play the set AW and haven’t had too much difficulty with the gapping in my Apex irons. This should tighten it more as I’m finding these Full Toe wedges seem to launch a bit lower and get me a few extra yards.
[QUOTE=”ranger1989, post: 10343884, member: 3491″]
[USER=19092]@xThor[/USER] & [USER=41068]@93civiccpe[/USER], curious to which wedges you guys were fit into with these stronger lofts?
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[QUOTE=”93civiccpe, post: 10343902, member: 41068″]
I’ve been playing a JAWS MD5 54 and 58 degree combo with my Apex 21 irons and I kept the same lofts but both in the MD5 Full Toe wedges. I play the set AW and haven’t had too much difficulty with the gapping in my Apex irons. This should tighten it more as I’m finding these Full Toe wedges seem to launch a bit lower and get me a few extra yards.
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Rogue ST Pro have the same lofts as the Apex from last year, but do feel like they may launch a touch higher. So I don’t think either of us are going to see much change from what we are currently doing in our wedges. I know the regular Rogue ST Max irons have a stronger loft package, but have no issues getting the ball up.
Like [USER=41068]@93civiccpe[/USER], I play through the set AW and then 54/58 in either MD5, Full Toe, or a combination of the two. Though I generally bend my 54* down to 53*.
I just can’t stop ogling the ST Pros for some reason… Can’t wait for these to start getting into THPer’s hands.
[QUOTE=”xThor, post: 10343952, member: 19092″]
Rogue ST Pro have the same lofts as the Apex from last year, but do feel like they may launch a touch higher. So I don’t think either of us are going to see much change from what we are currently doing in our wedges. I know the regular Rogue ST Max irons have a stronger loft package, but have no issues getting the ball up.
Like [USER=41068]@93civiccpe[/USER], I play through the set AW and then 54/58 in either MD5, Full Toe, or a combination of the two. Though I generally bend my 54* down to 53*.
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In my Apex irons I played the irons all 1 degree weak. In these I think I may try your idea and bend the 54 to 53.. i like that idea! Which club is your primary greenside sand club? I typically use my 54 unless I need more height then go 58. Any difference with the 53 from the sand?
[QUOTE=”JonD, post: 10344008, member: 5907″]
I just can’t stop ogling the ST Pros for some reason… Can’t wait for these to start getting into THPer’s hands.
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I’ve hit them, know they will be coming, and yet can’t stop drooling over the pictures!!
[QUOTE=”JonD, post: 10344008, member: 5907″]
I just can’t stop ogling the ST Pros for some reason… Can’t wait for these to start getting into THPer’s hands.
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Btw, when the weather is a bit warmer and I have these in hand you are welcome to try them!!
[QUOTE=”93civiccpe, post: 10344029, member: 41068″]
In my Apex irons I played the irons all 1 degree weak. In these I think I may try your idea and bend the 54 to 53.. i like that idea! Which club is your primary greenside sand club? I typically use my 54 unless I need more height then go 58. Any difference with the 53 from the sand?
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Greenside really depends on what i need/want to do. I use the 58 Full Toe the most, especially with these new LS balls, because I want to get the ball up and stopping quickly. The 54 bent to 53 (in 10S bounce/grind) still works very well, and i like it for longer bunker shots, as the leading edge is a bit lower.
[QUOTE=”93civiccpe, post: 10344040, member: 41068″]
Btw, when the weather is a bit warmer and I have these in hand you are welcome to try them!!
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I may take you up on that!!! If I can wait that long… Lol
I don’t like Callaway cosmetics generally but this hybrid is beautiful. It fits together nicely.
hit the pro iron while i was waiting on a new adapter install…that felt really nice. ball came off with good speed (according to observers).
[QUOTE=”Wildcat4life, post: 10342747, member: 48854″]
I hit both today. In every way I preferred the rogue pro. To be fair the shaft in the apex pro wasn’t for me. The rogue pro is just the easiest iron to hit I’ve tried in a while
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Less offset in the rogue pro than the apex pro?
[QUOTE=”Dt1741, post: 10345503, member: 46228″]
Less offset in the rogue pro than the apex pro?
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I did not notice. I will try to look again.
[QUOTE=”Dt1741, post: 10345503, member: 46228″]
Less offset in the rogue pro than the apex pro?
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I can answer this, no.
They’re practically identical in the scoring cubs, but more offset in the Rogue Pro’s in the 5i and up.