More than a handful of years ago, UST Mamiya came out with an iron shaft called Recoil and it took the golf industry by storm. A huge success, the Recoil lineup is now the #1 graphite iron shaft on the market with a myriad of options to choose from. This year, they are releasing a new lineup called Recoil DART.
To begin, DART stands for Dual Action Recoil Technology and it is coming after years of development and testing. Getting into the technical weeds for a bit, DART is designed to optimize hoop stiffness in the critical areas of the shaft. In the flex zone of the shaft, you will find an increase in hoop dynamics bringing maximum energy transfer and better feel. In the tip section, the hoop stiffness is increased to stabilize and offer more consistency.
Hopping out of the tech talk, you are probably asking what this all means? Better consistency, more feel throughout the swing and maximum energy transfer. In other words, create a better Recoil shaft.
With UST Mamiya Recoil DART, the company set out to eliminate inconsistent areas of the shaft and any deadness or clunky feel that some associate with other graphite lines. Starting out, the company is releasing Recoil DART in two different weight classes, the 65 and the 75 and the specs are below. This offers both mid and high launches in fairly light weight packages.
In extremely early testing, we have seen some solid stability in weight classes where that is not normally the case. More coming soon after some more thorough testing in the THP Tech Studio.
Based on early conversations, I think we are going to be hearing a lot more about the UST Mamiya Recoil DART line of shafts in the near future. Of course, if you want a chance to ask the company directly, check out our THP Experience called Shaft Up, where you can win a trip to Las Vegas to get fit and spend time with the company over multiple days of golf.
Very interesting shafts! Recoil feel with more stability is never a bad thing. It’s going to be cool to see this tech in action.
If it’s Recoil, it’s got to be good.
I love my Recoils and will definitely check out the new ones when a little heavier choice is released.
Good intro [USER=3]@JB[/USER], these sound interesting. I like the idea of max stiffness in a lighter weight package. It will be fun to see more testing on these.
Sounds like some nice technology. Great name. Those are some light shafts!
Interested to see the added stability of a lighter weight shaft. The Recoils I have tried in the past I really liked, may need to give these a run.
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Sounds like some nice technology. Great name. Those are some light shafts!
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As mentioned, I expect to see more weights skewing heavier in the future. Recoil has a lot of users in the lighter weights, but the company definitely is not forgetting about those that use steel like weight.
[COLOR=rgb(41, 105, 176)]I have certianly enjoyed my current F3 Recoils and the 75 DART F3 sounds really appealing to me. [/COLOR]
Love the direction that UST Mamiya is taking this line. And the graphics are sharp as well.
This is interesting. Can’t wait to see your tests which will be great to see the details, seen a 2/1 release date on there site will love to try out and test.
Oh man, these sound fantastic. I love my Recoils, and anything improving on those is eye opening. Hopefully these do very well at the lighter weights to justify moving them into the heavier weights as well.
Recoil DART sounds like a great addition to their line up!
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This is interesting. Can’t wait to see your tests which will be great to see the details, seen a 2/1 release date on there site will love to try out and test.
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I have been testing them out quite a bit over the last few days and I like what I see. Interestingly enough, the DART 75 F4 gives me pretty similar performance to the Recoil 95. So if that holds up and can stay the test of time, going lighter could add some benefit to me personally.
I’d be inclined to try either one of the stiff shafts. I don’t know what I need as far as weight class but I have been looking at lighter shafts.
”Hoop” this is a term I’ve never heard of in regards to shafts, it’s something new to me but then again my shaft game is weak.
Always learning something here.
That’s very interesting, I was hoping these would be a lighter weight shaft we could try. I prefer lighter weight shafts so these could certainly fit the bill!
looking forward to the heavier weight classes. also curious whether these will be offered in custom graphics.
Sold!!! Can’t wait to see these in action and hear peoples thoughts.
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I have been testing them out quite a bit over the last few days and I like what I see. Interestingly enough, the DART 75 F4 gives me pretty similar performance to the Recoil 95. So if that holds up and can stay the test of time, going lighter could add some benefit to me personally.
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Is there any notable increase in SS from the drop in weight?
I’m excited to see the Recoil tech refined to the next level. I know some thought they originals played softer than they wanted and it sounds like the changes made will remedy that. I’m disappointed that heavier weights aren’t available which also probably means they won’t be stock offerings in any upcoming releases. Still I think these are going to impress many and be class leading iron shafts.
I’ve been playing Recoils for the past five years primarily in the 95 weight class. Going to be interesting to see the impact of a drop to 75 gram, that’s quite a drop. Although JB mentioned a higher weight is in future plans. I do like the commentary about stiffening the tip, it will certainly help with dispersion. Looking forward to detailed reviews.
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Is there any notable increase in SS from the drop in weight?
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It is hard for me to say since I am not using the same club head in both, but I would venture a guess that there is a small increase. FWIW, during the test I did get a bit more ball speed mph, but impossible for me so far to tell how much is lighter shaft vs new club head. Once everything is released and I have more of the shafts in hand, we can definitely do some more thorough testing and I would expect some content to come out shortly after the THP Showcase.
Lightweight, higher launch and lighter, I am probably not the person who would fit into this shaft, but if this is the replacement for the Recoli 760/780 line, they will be a hit.
Sounds like they are making a great shaft even better. Definitely not for me in that weight range now, but hopefully as you noted they will be bringing these out in the heavier weights like 95 and 110. Would definitely give them a strong look.
Cool read. Hoop stiffness is how well the shaft resists ovaling as you load it correct?
theoretically, the more is stays round the more consistent it will be.
Well hello there. I think this is going in the bag once the higher weights come up because that sounds perfect. Not sure about the graphics but I’m sure they aren’t noticeable at address.
Interesting that these are in the lighter weight class, are they aimed at getting slower swingers into the graphite line? Saying that the performance is similar to the 95 is very intriguing.
Immediately interested. Only concern would be swing weight, but I’m sure there’s a way to offset that.
Very interesting… I believe Danny hinted at the UST Mamiya/ Ben Hogan Experience that they were working on something for a while now that was coming, this was probably it.
Question? Is the current Recoil that we know and love staying in line, or will eventually be replaced for this line?
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Cool read. Hoop stiffness is how well the shaft resists ovaling as you load it correct?
theoretically, the more is stays round the more consistent it will be.
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Yes. Hoop strength is about deformation during the swing.
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Interesting that these are in the lighter weight class, are they aimed at getting slower swingers into the graphite line? Saying that the performance is similar to the 95 is very intriguing.
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The DART line is not going to be aimed at slower swingers. It will feature heavier weights in time.
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Question? Is the current Recoil that we know and love staying in line, or will eventually be replaced for this line?
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I think time will tell there and it will be dependent on how golfers take to the new DART based on demand. If I was a betting man, I would say the future is bright and people are going to really like this one.
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I’d be inclined to try either one of the stiff shafts. I don’t know what I need as far as weight class but I have been looking at lighter shafts.
”Hoop” this is a term I’ve never heard of in regards to shafts, it’s something new to me but then again my shaft game is weak.
Always learning something here.
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Cool read. Hoop stiffness is how well the shaft resists ovaling as you load it correct?
theoretically, the more is stays round the more consistent it will be.
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If it is the same terminology as used in pipe welding and construction, yes. Interested in learning how they manage that without stressing the outer radius of the bend?
Sounds like skme interesting techm I have yet to try recoils but something I should seek out this year i guess
With these in play, the GT could be in play too
[QUOTE=”mikeg_74, post: 9743605, member: 15992″]Lightweight, higher launch and lighter, I am probably not the person who would fit into this shaft, but if this is the replacement for the Recoli 760/780 line, they will be a hit.[/QUOTE]
Me either! Ha! But will be fun to follow others to see their thoughts.
I love to see a new technology into the Recoils. I have the F4 110’s but they never really felt right or worked out for my sorry ass swing. So they are just collecting dust. I’m hoping that this tech is something that will work. I’d like to see if Danny Le could find what works best 😉 in Vegas.
First, thank you for the release write up. As far as I can tell, you are breaking this release story!
Love the name dart. Easy to remember and what golfer doesn’t want to hit darts.
As to the shafts, I like others ^^ look forward to this tech in heavier shafts with lower launch. In the meantime these will likely be popular. I heard a rumor this will be one of the shafts in the Apex 21’s. That would be a big deal!
I would definitely be in the market for this, I would think the 75 F4
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Me either! Ha! But will be fun to follow others to see their thoughts.
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make this one in a heavier weight and with a proto type of launch, now you have my attention.
Are these the next evolution for the 760 780 es smac wrap line of shafts.
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Are these the next evolution for the 760 780 es smac wrap line of shafts.
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Not really. Per the article, they are the next evolution of the Recoil shafts.
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Not really. Per the article, they are the next evolution of the Recoil shafts.
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I can actually say I’ve never hit any recoils that I didn’t like. Had them
In f9 irons have them in my cobra hybrids. Would like to try prototype 95 in my forge tec irons.
As a Recoil player for the past 6+ years, I am definitely interesting in learning more and trying this new line. I have been using sub-100 gram shafts in steel and graphite for the past 10 years so going down another 10 grams from my current 780 ES SW in not a big concern for me.
[QUOTE=”JB, post: 9743628, member: 3″]The DART line is not going to be aimed at slower swingers. It will feature heavier weights in time.
I think time will tell there and it will be dependent on how golfers take to the new DART based on demand. If I was a betting man, I would say the future is bright and people are going to really like this one.[/QUOTE]
Good to know heavier weights are coming!
Awesome release with some amazing graphics! I’m hoping a heavier version with an F5 offering comes later.
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Curious to know why only lighter weights were introduced during the initial launch. :unsure:
Curious to know why only lighter weights were introduced during the initial launch. :unsure:
really hope they come out with heavier weights later on…I really enjoyed having the proto wedge shafts in 3 wedges
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Curious to know why only lighter weights were introduced during the initial launch. :unsure:
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Because that is what is most popular. Despite the mentality online that heavier is necessary, its outside of the normal spectrum and we have seen driver shafts go consistently lighter over the years and iron shafts (including steel) as well. What was once only 65-80 in drivers is now 50-60 and what was once 125+ in steel is now 20+ lighter as well.
With modern materials and design strength can be less of an issue and has been embraced largely by the masses. I believe we see those heavier weights, but it is a smaller segment for sure.
I don’t know if I could commit to that weight but it would be interested to see what a 40% plus reduction in shaft weight looks like with a similar stability.
I’m going to tell my neighbor who is in his early 70s and about to get fitted.