I guess op has never heard, the bigger they are the harder they fall.....
The op is going to pick a fight with some guy who is 5'9" Krav Maga instructor
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I guess op has never heard, the bigger they are the harder they fall.....
As I just read up on this thread this was the first thing that came to mind. I don't get what the rush was. I use long rounds as an chance to share jokes and stories with friends. If I had a kid I would look at it as an opportunity to spend some quality time with my child. I've noticed this more and more lately on golf courses that people are more concerned with finishing as quickly as possible and get so impatient at any waiting. However, the op takes impatience on a golf course to another level. It seems like they skipped as many holes as they played. When you play golf there are going to be rounds you wait, it happens.
Looking at the whole situation, the op caused the problem by jumping around the course and cutting off a group then saying we're skipping ahead because of the slow play, made the situation worse by playing the membership card and driving back to the tee box after he had left, threatened to beat them up, and did nothing to resolve the issue. The other group could have used better language but compared to the op, they did a lot more to resolve the issue. Yes they used a couple choice words that were uncalled for but they were completely right calling the op out on skipping ahead. In my opinion, the op shoulders about 99% of the blame in this situation.
126 posts in less than 24 hours, most equipment threads don't see that
All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent - Thomas JeffersonIt seems like people here are piling on a little bit.
I have a few views on this, first off it is your courses fault for having this hold up and not controlling the pace of play! Second well....I hear F bombs all the time and that comes from Police officers, marines, golfers, all sorts of people so even though golf is a classy sport, you do have your people that curse, and also drink and get wild! That being said if they were dropping the words in a real direct way towards me with no care my daughter was there as a 6'4 person myself....well i would have used that to my advantage only if they were trying to get physical with me, although never on a golf course or on a street do I start fights period, I am 26 and do not need the trouble of a silly fight, but sometimes it cannot be stopped if your ganged up on and have to defend yourself in a mugging or something of that nature but that was not the case here.
Now as far as you feeling you have special rights as a member.....well in a way you do and I know any high end private course I play at cater to members that are of higher stature in life, even though my courses are members only unless your a guest playing with a member and never open to the public for these types of problems right here! I will say favoritism happens all the time at clubs and people getting speial treatment so if you get treated that way there then by all means I guess you had the right to feel the way you did about everything!
Now, I would have not worried about the curse words as your daughter could watch golf on tv and here the same talk the audio microphones may pick up....that's life, I know it may have made you mad but it's just a simple fact that it is life! Also I would have said nothing and played my round and let the pro know what was going on or at my course it is the CEO I would go to in his office if something so wild broke out! i would have never thouh told anyone I was coming back to whoop them up because now your actually breaking a law and threating someone, multiple people at that! It may be in your nature to get like this as when i was younger i had a hotter head on me but learned from friends with real bad tempers that landed behind bars...fights are not worth it and prove nothing!
What if one of those guys would have felt so at fear as you started whaling away on one of them , he took a 9 iron out and whacked you upside the head and killed you by some odd chance!?! That is what I am saying how things are not worth it unless your stuck having to defend yourself, then your daughter has no DaD for the rest of her life over some stupid, freak incident/accident on a GOLF COURSE! I am not calling you out as being a bad person but to take in all them factors and realize your three times 6'4 280lbs, by just walking away and saying nothing and waving and saying have a nice day as you know in your own mind what your capable of physically! Do not sweat it and if your Pro said they are known for being Pricks, well there is your answer and they were not worth the time or sweat, nor trouble and they are not aloud back I read and just let the whole thing go and go out there and enjoy your next round of golf with your daughter as she sounds like she has a gift for the game and put that effort into her vs all that effort you were going to put in taking on 3 guys in a fight!
This thread makes me feel like so much less of a loser than I originally thought I was...
I agree with your views on the violence. It just isnt worth it, you never know what can happen. Crazier things happen all the time. What starts out as minor dispute can and sometimes does ends up in some sort of tragedy. However i do understand the bad language thing can be bothersome. My family has season football tix (the Jets unfortunately lol) and the language that goes on is a real pain with too many women and children around (at times with us) and quite frankly just too many men also who do not want to here the constant Fbombs thrown out every two minutes by a select few individuals. It continues for the whole game until someone or we just has to get up and try to put an end to it. So this type disrespectful stuff in front my kid would get me going as well but I would have tried to handle it respectfully as I could on my end.
As far as the special rights thing its a bunch hogwash crap. If anyone is on any golfcourse, it dont matter how or why they are there, they are being allowed to play and they (as people who actually count in life) should be treated the same regardless of guest, member or whatever have you. Anything otherwise is disrespectful and not honorable. No one means more than anyone else. No one counts more than anyone else. They may not have the same benefits or access to certain things but they certainly are there golfing too and should be treated with the same respect and honor as a person on the course as anyone else.
That is where part the problem lies. The Op started off by saying he was a member that lived there and from the tone of the post (from what was written and the way it was written IMO) portrayed it as such that he was better than or somehow counted more when playing golf than any one else who was not a member. Perhaps if they didnt allow public access his dues (although besides the point) might be higher so he should remember that too.
Now he's out there as a twosome and also knows the public is also out there so right off the bat he must know these two big resons he's going to have to deal with being held up and should respectfully wait his turn like every one else unless he asks to play through. Instead what he does with intent is drive around the course bobbin and weaving like no one else counts for anything and even goes far as to say gonna swing back around and play 10/11 later. What if everyone did this? Would i have the right to do this too if i were there as a guest or a paying golfer? I think i count too if I'm out there golfing every bit as much he does.
When he jumps ahead the green to the next tee he now just totaly disrespected those on the green who where finishing up. Just like he wanted to defend his and his daughters honor due to the bad languauge, the golfers he cut in front of felt (at least one did) that they wanted to defend their honor. In thier own mind they very well could have felt like this "hey, what are we invisible? are we not here? we dont count?".. And this is why justifiably so, they had a right to be just as angry. They were 100% wrong for the language used to handle it but were 100% corrrect in feeling the right to say something. They disrespected the OP and his daughter due to the language like as if he and his daughter meant nothing but the Op disrespected them just as badly as if they meant nothing in the first place. I know i and I'm sure most would have at least expected some sort of acknowledgement to their existance. Some sort of perhaps "hey, how are ya, here with my daughter, just the two of us, mind if we play on ahead?, be outta ur way in a jiffy". That probably all it would have taken. An aknowledgment that other people actually counted for something. As said, they are there golfing too.
What a bully. All you had to say was is it ok if I play through with my daughter, we are in a little bit of a hurry? I promise we will not hold you up. The reported a$$holes would have let you through and everything would have been fine. But instead you are a big guy and decided to throw your weight around. If you did that to me I would be calling the police and have them waiting there to arrest you when you returned. I am a little disabled guy and I know I am worthless in any physical confrontation. So I am respectful to all people, even if they do not deserve it. What if one of the guys was armed and shot and killed you in font of your daughter.
SO the OP posts about him driving around disrespecting people by moving ahead of them without even acknowledging they exist and then commits a crime of assault and then complains that someone dropped a F bomb around his daughter. I am sorry they did not bow at your feet.