These things really proved their worth for me today in my current setup. I wouldn't put them above my apex combo or pros in an overall sense, but there were a few shots today that I don't think I could have made the same with the apex. The shape of them still throws me just a bit, but it also lets you do a few things with them that I tend to struggle to do with other irons. I'm becoming more impressed with this head/shaft combo for my game. I've enjoyed them from the start, but I'm not easily impressed, and a few times today I really was.