The Official Tiger Woods Thread
TC
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I didn't mean to peg you as a Tiger lover. I don't hate him either, although everyone assumes I do. I just think they guy's a complete phony. I don't tend to like people like that. I just call it like I see it, and his fans make me out to be some sort of hater. I would say the same stuff about Phil, and I do when he plays like turd.
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Form? Rory? Rory plays the first few rounds at Augusta like he did last tournament pack it in for that chump and his strong lofted clubs.
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Hanks
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I think this is what people aren't coming to grips with....with Tiger it's not about 'contention' .. he and his fans expect and want wins, particularly in majors...just plain contention sucks and is viewed as a failure....especially with Tiger doing interviews where he keeps saying he's doing better, coming along, blah blah blah...he keeps setting the bar high for himself and his fans/critics and when he doesn't succeed it looks that much worse for him
Puttin4Bird
Say what again mf'er!
You're right dude. I stumbled across another excerpt from Haney's book and he said that Tiger would get pissed at Elin when she smiled and showed excitement after he won because it's not cause for celebration, he's supposed to win. She wanted to throw him some party after a win and he had none of it. That has to be a pretty miserable bubble to be in.
TC
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I love Phil and Lee, but those two can really disappoint a super fan. I don't have any problem criticizing either of them though. That's where I differ from the Tiger faithful. He should contend at Augusta. I'd be surprised if he didn't but he won't win it. It's Lee's time this year folks.
TC
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What an ass. It's stuff like that that makes me want to like him even less. What a robotic turd. I blame his father so much for ruining that guy. He created a heartless, robotic individual. For what? Trophies.
If that is true, Earl Woods did not raise a winner. He may have a higher percentage of the worlds money than I do, but I am winning at life more than Tiger.
I love to watch Tiger play golf because of the Mystique around it, but I don't know that I would want him for a friend. He would probably hate me anyway because I am not reserved.
P.S. I am going to read Hank Haney's book, but I think Tiger has justification to be mad. If I were Tiger, I would feel very betrayed. No wonder he doesn't trust people.
Puttin4Bird
Say what again mf'er!
Could you imagine how miserable that has to be? I mean when you see all these other guys that are out of their mind excited and just jumping out of their skin after a win because they're so excited Tiger feels none of that. He's satisfied sure, but he is supposed to win. Yuck, no thanks man. I like the guys like Bubba who bawl after wins and who are some happy and blessed with the win they just can't compose themselves with all the emotion.
Freakin A man! Freaking ^^^^^^ THIS!
Tadashi70
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TC
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I can't imagine it dude. I can't imagine going home to a 20,000 sq foot complex with no warmth of love in it. I also agree with Seth, I think poor old Tiger probably has some serious trust issues. I can't blame him really. Never knowing who's around for $$$ or b/c they simply want to be. He needs to come to an outing and hang out with some THP'ers. We'll treat him right. Might even show him how to putt with a mallet if he wants. I think a lot of his issues within stem from not really coming clean. His presser (post the crash) was about as genuine as boobs on a porn star. It was so obvious he didn't write that. I think he just has a dark and tarnished soul. That can just break a man down. Robotic and all.
TC
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His ball striking is awesome. No doubt. But his short game and that putter is still subject to me, especially under pressure. I think he needs to win at Bay Hill b/c he ain't winning the Masters.
interlooper
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I would think so, Tad. Winning 2 of his last 7 tournaments... and in his last 12 tournaments, he has been in the top 5 all but once. I would say the magic is current.
Tadashi70
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TW is an adult and can make his own decisions. His dad was tough on him but they had a great relationship. Tiger could have handled his personal life anyway he wanted. If the Haney quote is true that's on him not his dad. I've always said TW has no social graces and never has. But TW the golfer still makes things fun to watch when he is playing well.
Tadashi70
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I'm not sure, Augusta requires a special moment in a golfers life. Rory is by far playing better then TW tee to green but I don't think we will see the golf we saw last year out of rory. My gut tells me we will have a bunched leader board through Sunday.
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His ball striking is awesome. No doubt. But his short game and that putter is still subject to me, especially under pressure. I think he needs to win at Bay Hill b/c he ain't winning the Masters.
I tend to agree, he's not just going to
find it at Augusta. Bayhill or quail hollow to me will be one of his wins for 2012. This is based on what we have seen in recent events.
Hanks
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Interesting....from Golf.com
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Tiger Woods' fascination with the Navy SEALs and how he might have incurred his leg injuries are sure to generate plenty of buzz when Hank Haney's book goes on sale next week. There also is plenty of gossip involving other players, such as the time Ian Poulter invited himself to ride home on Woods' plane after a practice round at Oakmont.
But there is a bigger picture in "The Big Miss," which chronicles the six years Haney spent as his swing coach. He shows Woods to be a complicated person who sought change to keep stimulated, who was rarely satisfied, self-centered in his pursuit of greatness and whose work ethic in the gym was geared toward being accepted as an athlete.
"In Tiger's mind, satisfaction is the enemy of success," Haney writes.
The book goes on sale March 27 - one week before the Masters - and it already has been getting plenty of attention because of a few sections that raise questions about how Woods injured his leg. Haney cites Corey Carroll, one of Woods' closest friends at Isleworth, as saying that Woods injured his right Achilles tendon doing Olympic-style weightlifting as he returned from reconstructive knee surgery in December 2008.
Haney also tells of a woman who approached him during an outing in Minnesota last year. Her husband was a Navy SEAL in California and told her Woods came in for training in 2007 at a Kill House - an urban-warfare simulator - and "got kicked pretty hard in the leg, and I think he hurt his knee pretty bad."
Haney said that matched a story from Carroll, who said Woods revealed to him that the complete tear of his left knee ligaments really happened in a Kill House when he had lost his balance and been kicked in the knee. "My immediate thought upon hearing Corey's account, which so closely paralleled that of the woman in Minneapolis, was that it was true," Haney writes. "And if so, it meant that if Tiger never catches Jack Nicklaus, it will very likely have as much to do with the time and physical capacity he lost as a result of his bizarre Navy SEALs adventure as anything else."
The injuries are relevant because Woods has had four surgeries on his left knee, and he withdrew from his last tournament two weeks ago at Doral with tightness in his left Achilles tendon. That's the same one that caused him to miss two majors last year.
Woods said it was only a mild strain, and he is scheduled to play seven straight days this week, including at Bay Hill.
While the injuries are timely, the rest of the book is sure to satisfy the curiosity of golf fans - particularly those who have watched him win at a record rate - to whom Woods has revealed so little over the years. Haney became increasingly concerned when Woods began workouts designed to build muscle. It reached a point when Haney and former trainer Keith Kleven tried to persuade Woods that he was getting more muscular in the upper body than was helpful for golf.
Woods so badly wanted to be considered a real athlete that he saw injuries as a badge of honor. Haney said Woods tried to empathize with Derek Jeter and Shaquille O'Neal when talking about injuries.
Haney does not consider the book a "tell-all," and much of it reveals Woods' pursuit of his place in history. He also delves into the relationship Woods had with his ex-wife, and how guarded they were in public. That runs against his comments in January that the book would be about golf, though Haney felt it was relevant.
"I think when you're such a complex person, an absolute superstar, you can't ignore everything that happens off the golf course," Haney said in an interview. "The performance, the dedication, the ability to compete with a clear mind. To me, it said something about Tiger overall as a person. Clearly, there's a lot of things I left out of the book that didn't have to do with golf."
He said Woods ignored phone calls when they started working together, but later began returning text messages. Haney said he was not aware of Woods' extramarital affairs, except for Woods making the occasional comment about a woman he saw in the gallery. He also wrote that Woods told him his ex-wife wanted him to take two years away from golf after his serial adultery was exposed.
"One of my goals in the book was to paint a picture and let people decide what they want to glean from it," he said.
Haney said he felt as though he had won the lottery when Woods called him in 2004 and asked him to be his swing coach. He was paid $50,000 a year, plus a $25,000 bonus for Woods winning a major.
He said they had to confront three issues in revamping the swing - protecting the left knee (Woods told him his anterior cruciate ligament was only 20 percent intact after surgery in 2002), the movement of his head and learning to hit the driver.
"Simply put, Tiger played the driver with a lot of fear," Haney wrote.
He said their second lesson was his first test as a coach. Woods had finished 10 shots behind at Bay Hill, and Haney met him on the range at Isleworth. He said Woods ignored him. "The message Tiger wanted to send was clear: "When I play bad, when I don't win, it's your fault." He was reminding me that his expectations were going to be incredibly high ..." Haney wrote. ".... I also realized that I was never going to be able to relax with Tiger Woods," he wrote. "He was going to be complicated, and he was going to surprise me with his moods."
Haney expects to be criticized for trying to make money off his six years coaching Woods, especially with the book going on sale a week before the Masters. He has said on Twitter in recent months that the memories do not solely belong to Woods. "I wanted to write the book about my observations of greatness, an athlete superior to his competition," Haney said. "Obviously, people will have their thoughts. But when people read the book in its entirety ... if Tiger read the book, in his heart, he'd have to say it's an accurate portrayal, and it's honest."
Perhaps a more accurate assessment is something Haney wrote late in the 247-page book.
"My guess is that the publication of this book won't bring us closer."
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) -- Tiger Woods' fascination with the Navy SEALs and how he might have incurred his leg injuries are sure to generate plenty of buzz when Hank Haney's book goes on sale next week. There also is plenty of gossip involving other players, such as the time Ian Poulter invited himself to ride home on Woods' plane after a practice round at Oakmont.
But there is a bigger picture in "The Big Miss," which chronicles the six years Haney spent as his swing coach. He shows Woods to be a complicated person who sought change to keep stimulated, who was rarely satisfied, self-centered in his pursuit of greatness and whose work ethic in the gym was geared toward being accepted as an athlete.
"In Tiger's mind, satisfaction is the enemy of success," Haney writes.
The book goes on sale March 27 - one week before the Masters - and it already has been getting plenty of attention because of a few sections that raise questions about how Woods injured his leg. Haney cites Corey Carroll, one of Woods' closest friends at Isleworth, as saying that Woods injured his right Achilles tendon doing Olympic-style weightlifting as he returned from reconstructive knee surgery in December 2008.
Haney also tells of a woman who approached him during an outing in Minnesota last year. Her husband was a Navy SEAL in California and told her Woods came in for training in 2007 at a Kill House - an urban-warfare simulator - and "got kicked pretty hard in the leg, and I think he hurt his knee pretty bad."
Haney said that matched a story from Carroll, who said Woods revealed to him that the complete tear of his left knee ligaments really happened in a Kill House when he had lost his balance and been kicked in the knee. "My immediate thought upon hearing Corey's account, which so closely paralleled that of the woman in Minneapolis, was that it was true," Haney writes. "And if so, it meant that if Tiger never catches Jack Nicklaus, it will very likely have as much to do with the time and physical capacity he lost as a result of his bizarre Navy SEALs adventure as anything else."
The injuries are relevant because Woods has had four surgeries on his left knee, and he withdrew from his last tournament two weeks ago at Doral with tightness in his left Achilles tendon. That's the same one that caused him to miss two majors last year.
Woods said it was only a mild strain, and he is scheduled to play seven straight days this week, including at Bay Hill.
While the injuries are timely, the rest of the book is sure to satisfy the curiosity of golf fans - particularly those who have watched him win at a record rate - to whom Woods has revealed so little over the years. Haney became increasingly concerned when Woods began workouts designed to build muscle. It reached a point when Haney and former trainer Keith Kleven tried to persuade Woods that he was getting more muscular in the upper body than was helpful for golf.
Woods so badly wanted to be considered a real athlete that he saw injuries as a badge of honor. Haney said Woods tried to empathize with Derek Jeter and Shaquille O'Neal when talking about injuries.
Haney does not consider the book a "tell-all," and much of it reveals Woods' pursuit of his place in history. He also delves into the relationship Woods had with his ex-wife, and how guarded they were in public. That runs against his comments in January that the book would be about golf, though Haney felt it was relevant.
"I think when you're such a complex person, an absolute superstar, you can't ignore everything that happens off the golf course," Haney said in an interview. "The performance, the dedication, the ability to compete with a clear mind. To me, it said something about Tiger overall as a person. Clearly, there's a lot of things I left out of the book that didn't have to do with golf."
He said Woods ignored phone calls when they started working together, but later began returning text messages. Haney said he was not aware of Woods' extramarital affairs, except for Woods making the occasional comment about a woman he saw in the gallery. He also wrote that Woods told him his ex-wife wanted him to take two years away from golf after his serial adultery was exposed.
"One of my goals in the book was to paint a picture and let people decide what they want to glean from it," he said.
Haney said he felt as though he had won the lottery when Woods called him in 2004 and asked him to be his swing coach. He was paid $50,000 a year, plus a $25,000 bonus for Woods winning a major.
He said they had to confront three issues in revamping the swing - protecting the left knee (Woods told him his anterior cruciate ligament was only 20 percent intact after surgery in 2002), the movement of his head and learning to hit the driver.
"Simply put, Tiger played the driver with a lot of fear," Haney wrote.
He said their second lesson was his first test as a coach. Woods had finished 10 shots behind at Bay Hill, and Haney met him on the range at Isleworth. He said Woods ignored him. "The message Tiger wanted to send was clear: "When I play bad, when I don't win, it's your fault." He was reminding me that his expectations were going to be incredibly high ..." Haney wrote. ".... I also realized that I was never going to be able to relax with Tiger Woods," he wrote. "He was going to be complicated, and he was going to surprise me with his moods."
Haney expects to be criticized for trying to make money off his six years coaching Woods, especially with the book going on sale a week before the Masters. He has said on Twitter in recent months that the memories do not solely belong to Woods. "I wanted to write the book about my observations of greatness, an athlete superior to his competition," Haney said. "Obviously, people will have their thoughts. But when people read the book in its entirety ... if Tiger read the book, in his heart, he'd have to say it's an accurate portrayal, and it's honest."
Perhaps a more accurate assessment is something Haney wrote late in the 247-page book.
"My guess is that the publication of this book won't bring us closer."
the_paulo
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I'm with you here. I know a few people who had every opportunity to be pissed at the world due to their upbringing, yet when they grew up a little, realised how much they didn't want to be that person - and didn't need to be.
Agree/Disagree in one post! I think Rory comes out like he did at the US Open. His Masters finish last year hurt him, and I think he's got the game at the moment to put it to the course and get his own back. Will be interesting to see what transpires.
I read that the other day, and while I agree that it is a statement on his personality, I think I read that this was after the Buick in 2005. When you've already won 40 times on the PGA Tour, with 8 Majors, do you really expect him to celebrate the Buick as if it's his first victory?
Now, after 2 1/2 years of winless golf, I think he'll be ecstatic the next time he wins, but I bet he still won't let Elin throw him a party.
As much as I would like to see it, unless he has magically fixed his putter woes, TW doesn't do better than a third consecutive 4th at Masters. That place eats up great putters.
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I just don't get everyone saying he packed it in because he wasn't doing well. What in his history would make you think he packed it in. would he have tried to righ it out if he was in contention, probably, but I do think he made the right decision to be careful.
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Puttin4Bird
Say what again mf'er!
I agree with that ad, I bet he's going to be rather excited and celebrate it and heaven forbid....even smile! Just look after his win at the Target World Challenge, he bought the media champagne. He wins Bay Hill or Augusta and it's a party alright.
Damaikis
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In terms of Tigger being robotic and such, I read a quote the other day that I thought sort of signified that: "Good is the worst enemy of great." Tigger wants greatness and probably thinks he can't reach it if he is satisfied with good. That's my thinking anyways.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I honestly just still don't understand Haney coming out with this book. Call me a Tiger homer, call me whatever, I honestly don't care. Dude screwed up to beyond epic proportions in his life. Everyone gets that. To me it feels like Hank is trying to portray Tiger in an even more negative light. For what? I just don't understand his reasoning. I've already ordered the book and I can't wait to read it.
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This made me chuckle
