At the course closest to my house there's a longer Par 4 with two ponds on the left side and a second shot that's never shorter than 220 or so for me and the carry over the water is about 200ish, I always seem to come up way short or once I layup I can never seem to get my third close, there's quite a bit of a dog leg left as well as a high tee and high green with the fairway quite a bit lower, luckily it's a pretty hole!